In a recent program of Point Blank with Mubashir Lucman, Zaid Hamid was questioned about his links with Yusuf Kazzab. Recording of the program is embedded above.
In the first video from 2:00 – 3:30
Mubashir Lucman states that he believes in Prophet Muhammad saaw being the last prophet and Zaid Hamid agrees.
Then Mubashir further states that if someone has claimed to be a Prophet after Prophet Muhammad saaw is a Kazzab. Zaid agrees to that too, but once again fails to call Yusuf Kazzab to be a Kazzab by specifically taking his name.
From 4:30 – 6:30
Mubashir Lucman refers to a story of Daily Ummat in which Daily Ummat discloses that Zaid Hamid has divorced his wife because she was unwilling to follow the deviant path of Yusuf Kazzab.
Zaid Hamid’s response: I dont want to comment on Daily Ummat and all this is non-sense and rubbish.
Mubashir Lucman: So this Divorce news is not true ?
Zaid Hamid: No, that is my personal matter. I had differences with my wife … blah blah.
So Zaid Hamid claims that Ummat published a false and fabricated story about Zaid Hamid divorcing his wife, but then accepts that he has divorced his wife. Then how on earth does, the report of Ummat becomes false and fabricated ?
What Mubashir Lucman failed to tell his audience was that the report was published in Daily Ummat after reporters from Daily Ummat conducted a thorough and detailed interview with Zaid Hamid’s ex-wife. So nothing in that report was baseless or fabricated.
From 9:00 – till end of part 1
Start of 2nd Part – 3:30
Mubashir Lucman asks him about his Afghan Jihad and states that your closed friends state that you went to Afghanistan once or twice, but were never involved in real Jihad there.
Zaid Hamid responds by saying that all of his heroics in Afghanistan are well-documented.
Mubashir Lucman Ahmed Shah Masood was fighting against Taliban, So you fought against Taliban ?
Zaid Hamid responds Look Mubashir I came out of Afghanistan in 1992, and In 1992 there was no existence of Taliban
But what Zaid Hamid refused to tell was that it was the same people against whom he fought together with Ahmed Shah Masood, that later became Taliban. Zaid Hamid’s close friends with whom ZHE has also spoken state that Zaid Hamid was supporting Northern Alliance and Ahmed Shah Masood and used to come to Pakistan and call the real Mujahideen to be Thieves and Bandits. It was these same Mujahideen who later became Taliban.
From 3:53 – 5:00
Mubashir Lucman Then you came to Pindi, so when did you started Brasstacks ?
Zaid Hamid responds that He first joined Brinks in 1994 as a manager and stayed with it for 5 years. So Zaid Hamid is admitting that he remained with Brinks till 1999.
The case against Yusuf Kazzab was started in 1997 and was judged in 2000. It is well documented in news papers, that Brinks was providing security to Yusuf Kazzab and his house in Lahore, even when Yusuf was on trial in Court. If you read the news papers of the time, you will see repeated mentions of the fact that a Manager of a private security company is also a follower of Yusuf Kazzab.
Now you may know that who that manager was.
From 5:20 – 5:50
Mubashir Lucman So when did you met Yusuf ?
Zaid Hamid responds that he met Yusuf in 1992 in Karachi. After 1992, I left Karachi – so people of Karachi dont know how much and what relations I had with Yusuf. Whatever they say is suni sunai and jhoot.
The problem with this is that in his leaked video – that was leaked in early march. Zaid Hamid states that he met Yusuf in 1992 but then came to Rawalpindi, so then he do not know what Yusuf did and had no contact with Yusuf.
But now he is stating that he met Yusuf in 1992, but then he came to Rawalpindi so the people of Karachi do not know what contacts he had with Yusuf.
From 5:50 – 8:20
Mubashir Lucman Why you introduced Yusuf in your close circles by stating that he is a Rohani Shakhsiat and can make you have Ziarat of Prophet saaw. ?
Zaid Hamid responds Rubbish, total rubbish.
Zaid Hamid further states that Yusuf was a mystic.
But the problem with this response is, that the people whom Zaid Hamid introduced to Yusuf by stating that Yusuf will make you meet Prophet saaw are still alive and can testify to this anytime anywhere. Zaid Hamid even told Hesham Syed that he has already met Prophet saaw but has not recognized him. Hesham Syed states that he has no doubt that Zaid Hamid was referring to Yusuf Kazzab.
Zaid Hamid states that Yusuf was a mystic but fails to tell, what was it that Yusuf used to say to people to show that he is a mystic.
Yusuf used to tell people that he is a mystic of such caliber that he can make them meet Prophet saaw. Yusuf used to demand money from people in order to make them meet Prophet saaw and then used to take them in a room and state to them that he is Muhammad (Nauzobillah).
Mubashir Tries to Rescue Zaid Hamid
Mubashir Lucman then wastes half of his program on a discussion of poetry in religion, which had nothing to do with Yusuf Kazzab issue. Poetry or Iqbal’s ideology was never a point of contention between ZHE/AMTKN and Zaid Hamid.
After allowing Muhammad Ayub to make his point and interpret in his own words, the ayats of Holy Quran – Mubashir stated in the end that it might be possible that some of us are not interpreting Quran or Fiqah correctly.
So is Mubashir trying to say that just like Muhammad Ayub was misinterpreting the verses on poets and poetry, we are misinterpreting the verses on Khatam e Nabuwwat and Finality of Prophethood ?
Mubashir Lucman felt it to be fair to invite Zaid Hamid to his show to take his point of view on the Yusuf Kazzab issue, but failed to invite Ulema of AMTKN to take their point of view on the same issue.
Mubashir Lucman invited son of Khalid Khawaja on his show to take his point of view on the Hamid Mir controversy, but failed to invite Hamid Mir to take Hamid’s point of view on the same issue.
And then Mubashir claims that it is fair to invite a person to take his point of view and this is what objective journalism should be. But shouldnt an objective journalist also invite the other party to hear to their point of view as well ?
Perhaps that does not fall in the category of objective journalism, specially if someone’s objective is to provide the audience with biased analysis and twisted and one sided narratives.
Mubashir stated in the end that Zaid Hamid has clarified everything, but what exactly has he clarified.
We alleged that Zaid Hamid knew Yusuf Kazzab. Zaid Hamid has now accepted it.
We alleged that Zaid Hamid defended Yusuf Kazzab in Court. This is a fact and Zaid Hamid has never denied it.
We alleged that Zaid Hamid defended Yusuf Kazzab even after his death. This is a fact as is evident from Zaid Hamid’s Daily DAWN article of 2000, his leaked video of March 2010. It is evident from the fact that he still defends Kazzab and states that Yusuf never claimed to be a prohet and the fact that Zaid Hamid still refuses to call Yusuf a Kazzab.
So again what exactly did Zaid Hamid clarified ? Oh yes. He clarified that he was associated with Yusuf Kazzab.
Watch the video from 2:25 — 2:40
Zaid Hamid: Ye Kehna Ke Us Nay Nabowat Ka Dawah Kiya Hai Aik Bohat Bari Baat Hai.
Host – Bilal Qutab: Us Nay (Yusuf Kazzab nay) Meray Sa’amnay (Dawah-e-Nabowat) Kiya hai.
Zaid Hamid: Yqeenan Kiya Hoga Do Logon Ko Sharai Adalat Main Ja Ker Evidence Dayni Chaye Aur Sharai Adalat Us Ke Baray Main Faisla Keray I AM NOT GOING TO ACT AS A SHARAI JUDGE.
Please note this point that from 2:25 — 2:40 Zaid Hamid is stating that he will not act as a JUDGE.
Now watch the video from 2:40 — 2:55
Host – Bilal Qutab: Shah Sahab aik zimni sawal. Aik shaks kehta hay kay main paighamber hon yahan per aa kar aap kay Ishaq-e-Rasool ki ghairat itni kiun num hojati hai kay aap yeh kahaingay kay ye faisla adalat keraygi ?
Zaid Hamid: Ager woh meray samnay kahay ga to I’ll Kill Him.
Wait wait wait !!!!
What did he just say that he will kill a person who will say in front of him that He is a Prophet. But just 10 seconds back, Zaid Hamid was saying that he will not act as a JUDGE on Khatame Nabuwwat issue and now he is stating that he will kill a person who declares himself to be Prophet in front of him.
So 10 seconds back Zaid Hamid was not willing to act as a Judge but 10 seconds later he stated that he will not just act as a Judge and decide that this person has committed Gustakhi e Rasool but will also act as an executioner and will execute the person then and there.
On one hand he is unwilling to act as a judge on Yusuf Kazzab issue, but on the other hand he is willing to execute a hypothetical person on spot for committing a blasphemy.
So the blasphemy of an hypothetical person is a blasphemy to Zaid Hamid that should be punished by death immediately, but the blasphemy of Yusuf Kazzab is not.
What a hypocrite !!!
What a Gustakh e Rasool !!!
What a Munafiq !!!
Zaid Hamid has refused to call Yusuf a Kazzab even after Bilal Qutb who was the host of the program Door Andaish testified in front of Zaid Hamid that Yusuf Kazzab called himself to be a Prophet in front of Bilal Qutb. Recently Zaid Hamid appeared in a TV program called Door Andaish on Value TV. Incidently, the host of the program Bilal Qutb also happened to be a neighbor of Yusuf Kazzab at Shadman, Lahore.
During the interview Zaid Hamid stated that Yusuf Kazzab never declared himself to be a Prophet infront of him. Bilal Qutb recalled this for his TV audience that in Zaid Hamid’s meeting with Dr Israr, Dr Israr referred Zaid Hamid to a person who was an eye-witness of Yusuf Kazzab’s claim of prophethood. Zaid Hamid side-stepped from this statement and ignored it totally. On this, Bilal Qutb informed Zaid Hamid that he was a neighbor of Yusuf Kazzab at Shadman, Lahore and Yusuf Kazzab himself told Bilal Qutb that there is a Mohr e Nabuwwat on Yusuf Kazzab’s back. Bilal Qutb stated that he asked Yusuf Kazzab to show him the Mohr e Nabuwwat. On this Yusuf Kazzab said that not everyone can see the Mohr e Nabuwwat but his wife has seen the Mohr. Bilal Qutb said that he can say all this by putting his hand on the Holy Quran and said that he is giving a solemn statement.
But even after hearing this eye-witness shahadaat (gawahi) Zaid Hamid refused to call Yusuf a Kazzab and continued to repeat his lame arguments that go to Shariah Court and give this Shahadat in Shariah Court and get Yusuf declared a Kazzab in Shariah Court and only then I will declare him a Kazzab.
Zaid Hamid further stated that Yusuf never uttered such blasphemous views in front of him. This is a total and utter lie, since Zaid Hamid was present at Bait e Raza and during his Bait e Raza speech Yusuf Kazzab stated that Allah and Muhammad saaw are one, which is nothing but Shirq. And in the same Bait e Raza speech Yusuf Kazzab declared that a 2.5 year old child has seen Prophet Muhammad saaw i.e. Yusuf Kazzab.
It is hard to believe that Yusuf uttered his blasphemous views in front of his neighbor of a few years i.e. Bilal Qutb – but never told Zaid Hamid about his Mohr e Nabuwwat even though Zaid Hamid knew him since 1992 and defended Yusuf Kazzab till Yusuf was killed in Jail.
Zaid Hamid says that he never supported the views of Yusuf Kazzab, but during the entire court proceedings – Yusuf Kazzab’s views were discussed and Zaid Hamid was present in each and every session to show his solidarity to his Prophet. If he did not supported Yusuf Kazzab’s views, what was he doing in the court sessions. If Zaid Hamid did not supported Yusuf Kazzab’s views why did he write the article in Daily DAWN calling Yusuf Kazzab to be a great scholar of Islam and a great sufi. If this is not called supporting Yusuf Kazzab’s views than what else is called supporting Yusuf Kazzab’s views ?
Zaid Hamid’s fans will still say that it is now proved that Zaid Hamid is not a follower of Yusuf Kazzab since he has called Yusuf to be corrupt. But what they fail to see is that Zaid Hamid has refused to call Yusuf a Kazzab even when a Muslim has given Shahadat in front of Zaid Hamid on National TV that Yusuf stated that there is Mohr e Nabuwwat on his back. Zaid Hamid has refused to call Yusuf a Kazzab even when Dr Israr referred him to eye-witnesses who can testify that Yusuf used to call himself Prophet Muhammad saaw (Nauzobillah).
Zaid Hamid’s fans and every other muslim should know that entire Deen is based on Shahadat (Gawahi). Hazrat Abu Bakr RA never heard Musailma Kazzab calling himself to be a prophet. However, Musailma was declared a Kazzab because enough people testified (gave shahadat) that Musailma has declared himself to be a prophet. Hazrat Abu Bakr RA accepted this testimony of other people. One important thing to note here is that Hazrat Abu Bakr RA accepted the testimony of other people and declared Musailma to be a Kazzab, but Zaid Hamid is refusing to accept the testimony of other Muslims and saying that these testimonies does not fulfill Shariah principles. Does this not mean that Zaid Hamid is saying that Hazrat Abu Bakr RA did not fully understood Shariah principles that is why He RA accepted the testimony of others – without himself going and listening to Musailma’s point of view.
Zaid Hamid stated that what sort of a person calls his Nabi to be corrupt. This is what Zaid Hamid’s fans also state here and there. But for the information of Zaid Hamid and his fans, before Zaid Hamid’s association with Yusuf Kazzab became public, Zaid Hamid never ever called Yusuf to be Gumrah or corrupt. Zaid Hamid can not show a single public statement or writing in which he has called Yusuf to be Gumrah or corrupt before 2008. In fact in his video leaked by students of Shifa Medical college, that created this entire storm – Zaid Hamid went as far as calling Khabrain and Zia Shahid to be corrupt. So previously he was calling Khabrain to be corrupt, but now that has changed and now Zaid Hamid has realized that it was not Khabrain but Yusuf who was corrupt. Zaid Hamid is now calling Yusuf to be corrupt to side-step from having to call Yusuf a Kazzab. This is what Bilal Qutb also referred to, that Qadyani’s do the same thing. They side-step from the real argument and accept petty things but never accept that Mirza Qadyani was a Kazzab and a False Prophet. Zaid Hamid is doing nothing new. He is just following the foot steps of Qadyanis.
The most funny thing about Zaid Hamid’s arguments were that on the one hand he was refusing to call Yusuf a Kazzab stating that Shariah requirements were not fulfilled and on the other hand he was saying that he is not a religious expert who can give Fatwa. Zaid Hamid if you are not a religious expert who can give fatwa, how can you declare that Shariah requirements to call Yusuf a Kazzab were not fulfilled ? At one hand you state that you are not a religious expert but on the other hand you make statements that sound as if you know religion more than Dr Israr, Moulana Abdur Rehman Ashrafi, Mufti Ghulam Sarwar Qadri, Mufti Naeem and other top religious scholars – all of whom declared Yusuf to be a Kazzab.
By calling his own prophet corrupt and gumrah, with whom Zaid Hamid spent 10 years of his life and from whom Zaid Hamid learned all his spirituality and religion, Zaid Hamid has proved that he is not loyal even to his False Prophet – Yusuf Kazzab.
Do listen to this statement of Bilal Qutb in which he said that when I am giving you Shahadat that Yusuf declared himself to be a Nabi and you are still refusing to call him a Kazzab – where all your Ishq e Rasool has gone at this time ?
The discussion on Yusuf Kazzab issue starts around 5:00 of Part 3 and continues in Part 4 of the interview.