Response to Asif Shiraz's Clarification – Stop Playing This Double Game

Aalya Qureshi has responded to the clarification of Asif Shiraz. The following response was written by sister Aalya on the Zaid Hamid Exposition facebook fanpage.

Aalya Qureshi You say // The nature and workings of ZHE group have become more appropriate and befitting for someone who loves to hate zaid hamid…. instead of someone who loves Rasool Allah (sm)//.. I wonder if you’ve heard the Islamic terminology of loving and hating for the sake of Allaah (swt). It’s a valid requirement for emaan. That is why one is required to do ba’raah of individuals who dishonour the rasool (s.a.w) .

Zh has challenged the honour of the nabi (s.a.w.) by supporting Yusuf Kazzab. So yes, we hate ZH, due his belief that Yusuf Kazzab was a “sufi scholar” and ” innocent ” and this may be extended those who support him, by defending and finding excuses for ZH beliefs .

This, my brother is true love for Muhammad ( abundant salaams and blessing of Allaah upon him ) .

I’m glad your enjoying your “tens minutes” of fame. But I pray you reconsider this notion as something special, because it only reflects the love of the Duniyah..You should focus more on The Hereafter thats is going to be our true and final abode !

Your proposal in which you suggested to confront ZH with the ayah from (3:61)

” Then whoever disputes with you concerning him [‘Īsā (Jesus)] after (all this) knowledge that has come to you, [i.e. ‘Īsā (Jesus)] being a slave of Allâh, and having no share in Divinity) say: (O Muhammad SAW) “Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves – then we pray and invoke (sincerely) the Curse of Allâh upon those who lie.”

Do you even know what this ayah is about. I can’t even see how you could bring this up as a comparable to a challenge to ZH’s case. You know its a great sin to speak about Allaah (swt) without knowledge. Be warned and fear Allaah (swt).

So before you confuse others on the matter, and others start following you on this , I think I need to clarify the ayah’s standing .

This ayah , was revealed to the prophet (s.a.w) with regards to a delegation of Christians of Najran (in Yemen) who came to visit him . They challenged and argued with the prophet (s.a.w) about Isa (as) . Claiming that he [ Isa(as) ] was devine and the son of Allaah (swt ) Naudhzubillah .This ayah is a challenge to invoke a curse by way of supplication and is called The Challenge of Mubahalah. The Christians new the implcation of this curse if they accepted the Challenge and therefore backed off before it could be pronounced and inadvertedly denouncing their belief. This supplication is so powerful and carrys heavy implications ,that ONLY a messenger/ Rasul of Allaah (swt) is allowed to invoke it.

So tell us how are the two issues comparable and applicable for this invocation to be invoked in ZH case ? ???. I think you have no idea what the implications are, otherwise you wouldn’t have suggested this !!!! The implcations being the curse would continue throughout the family lineage of those who are being cursed. Future family members who would have no opportunity to make it to Jannah.Do you really wish to apply this curse on ZH’s Kids also and on their children etc

You speak of Zaid’s of taubah, were you witness to it ?…You should have been and its followed the correct methodology as per Shariah rules. Because had you been a witness,then your views of ZH beliefs would be clearer to you today. It would have saved you all the trouble that you are going through now and the issue would have ended there and then.

Tell me Asif, why are you still defending ZH ?…It is clear that he still believes that the Kazzab is a ” sufi scholar ” and that an injustice was done by him .
Why then after all the evidence shown on the xposition site, have you not done ba’raah of this lying deceitful man as yet.

I also suggest you don’t divert the issue from such important facts by throwing conjectures and slander upon us.

Please, also look over your post again and see how your defending, a person who has lied to you also, has gone beyond the rational thoughts in your arguements .

// Zaid took up this stance that even though “lying” is haram, “hiding” the facts is permissible when intentions are good, e.g. Hz. Abu Bakr Siddique (rz) “hid” the fact of the Prophet(sm) accompanying him when a guard asked him that who is with him.//

All this points towards again his warped beliefs.

The truth being, Sydena Abu Bakr (ra) protected/accompanied the rasul (s.a.w) because he , Abu Bakr (ra) believed the Nabi was on the Haqq.

This comparison made only incriminates Zaid Hamid further, because it would imply that ZH believes that Yusuf Kazaab is also on Haqq and as a Sahabi of Yusuf Kazaab he was compelled to also protect his Nabi (s.a.w) Naudhzubillah .

Tell us do you also accept this arguement, for you to justify your defence of ZH on this forum ??…

// He never said that the audio is not his: He only said that please bring real owner or recorder of that audio so we can comment on it.//

Interesting, it looks as if he was going to propogate to people to his own beliefs by convincing them the acceptability of the audio with in the privacy and security of his own office enviroment ? ..It is no wonder he can’t go the Ulema Ikram , they would rip him apart. But for a young impressionable person who has limited knowledge of the deeyn. Well thats easy prey really.

Also by him not denouncing that the voice in the audio not being his, only goes to show that he was to bring forth the warped aqaid at some point or another.

// Similarly, there is no one who can say that zaid lied, in any of his emails. yes, he is guilty of hiding things, guilty of giving “broad” statements which circumvented some pointed questions, but that is not lying, technically speaking.//

Look bro, I really don’t mean to be so harsh but really, hiding the truth is circumvent to lying…Please go back to the Qur’an. There is enough evidence there towards this belief.

// I was aware of the “circumvention” and let it happen, indeed participated in it at times, because I genuinely believed that Zaid had done tauba, and the only reason we are circumventing this issue because it will create needless hindrances in an otherwise well-intentioned good work that we are doing.//

Bro , Hitler and his Ummah believed also that they were doing ” well intentioned good work “, it does not mean they were and that it is acceptable by what Allaah (swt) has allowed …Why , you may ask, because their aqaid and moral compass was wrong and not acceptable in Islaam.

My sincerest thoughts for you and others like yourself well beings, is that you guys have to leave him, truly. He has been exposed by the Will of Allaah (swt) for a purpose. Recognise this blessing which Allaah (swt) has bestowed upon all of us and correct your ways and be grateful to Allaah (swt) for it through your actions. distance yourself. This opportunity may not be there for too long .

ZH is on a destructive path , So please don’t go down with him and take the step of warning others from going along with him ! This is the only redeemable factor left for any true Muslim.

It’s also sad that you have come to attack this exposition page of ZH . The man is a danger to Islaam and to others people who believe in him, and to himself.

i believe the rest of the Yusuf Kazaabs followers haven’t come out in the open and have not gathered a large audience or means to convey their warped beliefs.

The risk with ZH is graeter because it has at stake the eemaan of ZH followers . ZH is just paving the way for other deviant believers to come out of their holes.

He is converting an unacceptable belief into something halaal and he has found and built a platform and access/ means to a large audience and group of defenders ( lashkars ). furthermore he will be able to sustain his cause through other business ventures. This is a very dangerous precedent for an individual to have who will use all these resources to carry forth his warped mission .

Brother, the concrete fact is that ZH doesn’t believe that Yusuf Kazab was wrong / a blaspehemer. Because , as his mureed, it is the highest possibility that he holds the same beliefs of his Murshed ( which were full of batil ) where has incorporated them as part of hisr aqaid. Which is clearly evident today, by ZH not being able to disvowel himself from the kazzab.

ZH has been working hard on taking out the water from the well which contains a dead dog ( the Kazzab ) . The rational and honest solution would have been to take the of stinking rotting dog out instead . If not the water is bound to get polluted

lastly, In your arguements You also seems to forget that ZH wants to bring a Shariah system based on the way of Khilafah Rashideen. Tell us did they promote Muscians as role models towards their cause ?…Or encourage the intermingling of the sexes or even abuse and lie about the people who had Knowledge of The Ilm of Allaah (swt) ??

Anyhow, I shall leave you and Zaid Hamdians with this ayah :

Allaah (swt) says, interpretation of the meaning [2: 208 ].

O you who believe! Enter perfectly in Islâm (by obeying all the rules and regulations of the Islâmic religion) and follow not the footsteps of Shaitân (Satan). Verily! He is to you a plain enemy.

Which means by not entering perfectly into Islaam by obeying all the rules and regulations it ordains, one is following the footsteps of the Shaytaan.

salaam

Revision Received through comment

Asalaamu ‘alaykum wa rahmatullah

Wa Iyaaki

I would like to highlight and clarify some mistakes I have made in my post ..

Firstly , where I have written : ” This comparison made only incriminates Zaid Hamid further, because it would imply that ZH believes that Yusuf Kazaab is also on Haqq and as a Sahabi of Yusuf Kazaab he was compelled to also protect his Nabi (s.a.w) Naudhzubillah .”…

(s.a.w ) was erroneously addded, Astagfirullah…I was referring to Yusuf Kazaab being the Nabi of ZH.

Secondly, With regards to the group of christians who visited the Nabi (s.a.w). Who then went on to refuse the challege, which required invocating the curse in (3:61)…Incase anyone is misguided by my comment where i say ” and inadvertedly denouncing their belief.”, this is not to say that they became Muslims but, instead, to mean that they accepted to pay the Jizyyah . Thereby inadvertedly proving that their conviction and belief in the divinity of Isa (as) and that of him being the son of Allaah ( naudhzubillah ) was actually a weak, doubtful and negatable concept .

I apologise to all and especially to those who i may have misguided in the above two points. may Allaah (swt) forgive me. InshAllaah.

As for the rest of the note, my stand has not changed.

BaraakAllaah Feekum for your kind du’as my brothers and sisters in Islaam , Alhamdulillah , we truly are blessed to be Muslims…. Allaahu Akbar.

May Allaah(swt)guide us all and keep us steadfast on his deeyn. May He forgive and cover our mistakes and may He raise us, in The Herefater, with those He has favored the most. Ameen thumma ameen

51 comments on “Response to Asif Shiraz's Clarification – Stop Playing This Double Game

  1. YASIR says:

    MASHA-ALLAH…BOHAT KHOOB…AESAY HEI JAWAB DENA CHAHEY..

  2. Furqan says:

    Shabash beta!

    Taqabbal minna

  3. Abu Bilal says:

    Jazak Allah Sister. A very nice effort 🙂

  4. Rehan Ahmed says:

    Alhumdullillah, we have such a sister in Islam.

    It is also to be clarified that why we are targeting only Zaid Hamid, why not Yousaf Kazzab’s other followers or “100 chelaz” ?? as per Asif Sheraz’s statement.

    The reason is very clear ..that out of his 100 chelaz (if not done a real tauba as yet) only one has dared to speak publicly by defending his guru after gaining much fame & trust of some naive Pakistanees. So, if tomorrow Abdul Wahid or Suhail comes out and tries to defend …we will be dealing with them in the same manner.

    Shiraz Sahib, your statements doesn’t mean anything to us. The Kizb of Yousaf Kazzab & his defender is open to all. Even if all Pakistanees come out on the roads defending Yousaf Kazzab still the ruling will be remain with the Ullemas of Deen who actually KNOW Quran & Sunnah.

    It seems you have lost your trust in Ullemas instead you are listening to your old neighbor hood Zaid bhai who really knows how play with minds like his GURU.

    It is easy to act & advice like a doctor when you are not and it even easier to talk like an Alim when you are not. But the real loss is of Akhira …. and there is no mercy for those who will do a conceptual mistake in DEEN in this life. Mind it!

    May Allah subhana wattalah keep us with Rasool Salullaho alayhi wassalam in akhira and the jamat of Sahaba Rizwan ullah alayhi ajmaeen and their followers. ameen

    Rehan Ahmed Khan Ghouri

  5. Amen Ibrahim says:

    SubhaanAllah

  6. Nadia says:

    good job Aaliya.. May Allah swt bless u amen

  7. Lal Topi says:

    Sister Aalya

    Assalam U Alaikum

    I know her through facebook. Mashallah she is working very hard.. This article is very impressive.

    Keep exposing zaid kazzab and his aqeedah E Batiniya.

    I know one guy on orkut. His name is Amir Ibrahim and owner of Islam community and he thinks he is the biggest scholar of Islam. 90% of his time in criticizing zakir naik and praising Dr Tahirul Qadri. He is pakka Barelwi.

    When I asked about zaid kazzab he said I spoke to zaid hamid and he believes in prophet Muhammad (SAW).

    I will request everyone must be united against this fitnah of kazzabis. Kazzabis and Qadianis are united today.

    We have to make sure that we as a muslim ummah is also united for the sake of Islam.

    I found some similarity in languagge of zaid Kazzab and Qadianis (Mirza Tahir and Mirza Masroor). Both use the same languagge against ulema Ikram and they use same word “2 take ke molvi” and “Mullah”.

    I wonder why zaid kazzab and his followers and Qadianis has same enemy and that is our ulema Ikram?

    There must be some reason that zaid Hamid and Mirza Tahir both hates our ulema Ikram.

    People are curious to know where was zaid hamid since last 10 years? He was preparing ground for him and his aqeedah or making strategy for his mission. I am sure he had studie qadiani movement and he tried not to do that mistake.

    I was his big fan but I disappointed when he was denying since last 2-3 years that he does not know any Yusuf. Then he admitted in his leaked video he knows yusuf Ali (Just playing with his words).

    Do you think a lier will bring Khilafah? I dont think so

    He oftenly says in his speeches

    1. Pakistan is madina E Sanni ( Is this proved from Quran and Sunnah)
    2. Pakistan is Swaaleh Alaihissalm”s untni ( I dont think even this is proved from Quran and Sunnah)
    3. He says if you go to against Pakistan your namaaz and Roza will not be accepted (Pakistan is the most corrupt nation today and doing everything for money and if I will go and take stand against pakistan this means my namaaz and rozah will not be accepted)

    4. He always mixes nationalism and Khilafah. I dont think both go hand in hand.

    5. He misues Iqbal and Qaid E Azam for his own purpose.

    6. He preaches sufism,Bidaah in the name of Islam

    7. He believes “right or worong that is my pakistan”. This is not a believe of a true muslim. A true Muslim never believes in nationalism. Islam is a global religion and we can not divide Islam and muslims in boundaries.

    I met with many zaid kazzab followers on facebook almost everyone is from college graduate and no qualification in Islam. After attending 2-3 lectures of zaid kazzab and they think they are also scholar in Islam and entitled to comment on our ulema Ikram.

    Most of zaid kazzab followers think that if someone with zaid kazzab then they are ulema E Haq and if they speak against zaid kazzab then they are ulema E Su.

    Is this critirea of Islam in differentiating between ulema E Haq and Ulema E Su?

    I am asking all of you a college graduate who has no knowledge in Islam is entitled to comment on our ulema Ikram. They spend 10-15 years in madarsah for religious education and some of them have written many books on Fiqah and Hadith?

    If molvis start commenting in thier field of science and technology how would they feel?

    Everyone has his own expertise and specialization

    Zaid Kazzab in his last video says “mujhse gaali sunenge”. This means he abuses also?

    He lied at three places

    1. Dr Israr Ahmad
    2. Maulana Ghulam Sarwar Qadri
    3. Maulana Abdur Rahman Ashrafi

    Zaid kazzab says in his leaked vide “Dr Israr is very near and dear to us”. I met with many zaid kazzab supporters and they are abusing Dr Israr.

    Is this not strange zaid kazzab is saying that Dr Israr is very near and dear to us and his followers are abusing Dr Israr.

  8. yaldram says:

    yusuf = false claims of khalifa e azam kazzab
    khalifa e azam = blasphemy of declaring oneself like prophet (naoozobillah)
    ‘K’, is constant endorsed by session judge muhammad jahangir
    therefore, yusuf k ,
    remains kazzab for us and even for times to come inshAllah
    zaid = false claims of defending yusuf’s claims
    zaid is inversely proportional to Religous Ulema
    zaid = 1/Religous Ulema
    the lies of Zaid are exposed more when ulema expose the real truth of yusuf
    Also,taking the following variables of claims of ghawa tul hind, targetting elite youth and liberal class of our society proves the strategy;
    zaid -> following-> yusuf k

    hence,
    zaid = (claims of defending yusuf) => zaid = lies………….i
    yusuf k = (claims of false prophet) => yusuf k= lies……..ii

    Putting yusuf K, in the equation (i) with onstant in the equation gives us the following final result.

    zaid = yusuf K

    Thanks for your time,

  9. Sohail Khan says:

    MashaAllah!

    A complete listen for Asif and other followers of zaid kazzab. May Allah (swt) bless you with Kamil Hidaya’!

    Aameen!

  10. Mujahid Fisabi-Lillah says:

    MashAllah.

    To Asif,

    Read this a very helpful reply by a sister atleast 20 times daily till it gets into your head.

    and next time InshAllah we love to see you in camp of Zaid Hamid’s enemies and not even an inch we see you saying ZAID KAZZAB as ” Zaid Hamid, Innocent, bla bla…”

    [Edited By: Abu Muhammad]

  11. syed sohaib roomi says:

    MaashaAllah
    jazaakillah khayr

  12. Abu Muhammad says:

    It’s beautifully penned down. May Allah reward you. Ameen.

  13. A muslim says:

    JazakAllah o ahsanal jaza sister for your efforts and a very well written and superbly argued reply ……. personally I was shocked to see how quickly people can change their own spoken words…… I was eagerly waiting for the videos of Asif to become public, and when I saw it and then read his rply i really felt sorry to know that…………… May Allah bless them with hidayah Ameen……………..

  14. Farhan Haider says:

    Allah Ho Akbar kabeera, May Allah accept all ur efforts and give u best reward for it in this world and hereafter also, and bless u with more wisdom and strength and all other muslims to spread the correct creed.

  15. Asif Shiraz says:

    @Aliya

    I wonder if you’ve heard the Islamic terminology of loving and hating for the sake of Allaah (swt). It’s a valid requirement for emaan. That is why one is required to do ba’raah of individuals who dishonour the rasool (s.a.w).

    When you truly love Allah and his Rasool(sm) you try to follow them in your actions. “Bahutaan angezi” is not a Sunnah of the Prophet(sm). I honor him by not engaging in that. I would love to see you also honoring him in this same way.

    Zh has challenged the honour of the nabi (s.a.w.) by supporting Yusuf Kazzab

    Except that what you call “support” is completely different concept from “fairness”. Yousaf lakh daffa kazzab sahi, only thing zaid is saying is that in his view point, yousaf was only a misguided, self-decieved individual, and not a kazzab. Zaid is honoring the Prophet(sm) by siding with his conscience and saying against a million odds what he considers personally to be true. Here is how you can honor the Prophet(sm).

    a) If zaid is not a kazzab, honor the Prophet(sm) by stopping this camapgin against him.

    b) If zaid is a kazzab, honor the Prophet(sm) by seeking shariah court injunction against him and get him executed.

    As long as ulema do not universally declare zaid a murtad or kazzab, you are yourself dishonoring the Prophet(sm) by treating a muslim the way you are.

    So yes, we hate ZH, due his belief that Yusuf Kazzab was a “sufi scholar” and ” innocent ”

    Did the Prophet(sm) ever said that I hate abu jahl? or anyone, by name? Can you quote a hadith?

    and this may be extended those who support him

    If you want to take what i’m writing as his “support”, then let it be. All I am doing is speaking what is most fair and truthful to me. I will myself, Al-hamdulillah, be answerable to Allah(sw) and my beloved Prophet, Hazrat Muhammad(sm) bin Abdullah for saying everything that I’m saying here. This is all for their honor.. to show the world that a true muslim says what is in his heart, fearless of opposition and people’s judgements.

    I’m glad your enjoying your “tens minutes” of fame. But I pray you reconsider this notion as something special, because it only reflects the love of the Duniyah..You should focus more on The Hereafter thats is going to be our true and final abode !

    My 10 minutes of fame yet again demonstrate the qualities a muslim should have. I, Muhammad Asif Shiraz, have come up with my real name and real identity to say what I have to say. ZHE folks do not even dislcose their identity!!! See the difference yourself.

    Your proposal in which you suggested to confront ZH with the ayah from (3:61)

    Yes, I stand by it. Go and challange him.

    Do you even know what this ayah is about.

    Alhamdulillah.

  16. Asif Shiraz says:

    You know its a great sin to speak about Allaah (swt) without knowledge. Be warned and fear Allaah (swt).

    Thanks for the advice. May Allah(sw) always keep us fearful and mindful of him.

    This supplication is so powerful and carrys heavy implications ,that ONLY a messenger/ Rasul of Allaah (swt) is allowed to invoke it.

    Please quote a reference for this claim that this ayah can only be used by messengers? Anyone can do a dua to invoke curse upon whoever he thinks is a liar in a dispute.

    I think you have no idea what the implications are, otherwise you wouldn’t have suggested this !!!! The implcations being the curse would continue throughout the family lineage of those who are being cursed. Future family members who would have no opportunity to make it to Jannah.Do you really wish to apply this curse on ZH’s Kids also and on their children etc

    That exactly is my point. Zaid is so sure of his truthfulness that he might be willing to invoke such a curse on his family and beautiful children, because he knows he is sincere in his heart. The question is, are you willing to invoke a curse on your future generations, only to proof your “conjecture” that zaid is still a follower of yousaf and is trying to spread his ideology through brasstacks?

    You speak of Zaid’s of taubah, were you witness to it?

    I was a witness to the following things:

    a) Zaid quit meeting with yousaf

    b) Zaid quit meeting yousaf’s other followers

    c) Zaid told me that “Fuqaraa” have decided that yousaf be punished and killed, months before the actual incident of his murder.

    d) Zaid told me personally that yousaf was “stupid” and “misguided” and “all rohaaniat has been taken away from him”.

    e) Zaid advised yousaf’s others followers to leave him.

    f) Zaid told me that when yousaf’s dead body was transported from islamabad graveyard to some other place, his body, unlike bodies of auliya, came out all “galli sarri” whuee.

    g) Zaid told me that he will go for Umrah and go to Roza Paak of Huzoor (sm) in Medina to seek forgiveness.

  17. Asif Shiraz says:

    Because had you been a witness,then your views of ZH beliefs would be clearer to you today.

    Alhamdulillah, they are very clear to me.

    It would have saved you all the trouble that you are going through now and the issue would have ended there and then.

    I’m not going through any trouble my sister. Allah is enough to take care of his people. You guys cannot give me any trouble at all.

    Tell me Asif, why are you still defending ZH ?

    I’m not “defending” him. I’m only being fair to him. I am a follower of that Prophet(sm) who said ke fatimah binte Muhammad (sm) bhi choori karay toe mein haath kaat don gaa. I will condemn zaid for what he does wrong, and condemn you for what you do wrong. Inspite of zaid’s other failings, it is a wrong blame upon him that he is spreading yousaf kazzab’s ideology, and I will defend him in this, inspite of my own personal differences with him over many issues.

    It is clear that he still believes that the Kazzab is a “sufi scholar” and that an injustice was done by him

    Except with one difference: The “is” should have been a “was”. Zaid “used to” consider yousaf as a great sufi scholar, until the time he left him. Now he calls him, (on record of videos released) that yousaf was “corrupt” and “stupid” and I think he even said womanizer. This is no way is possible if your claim is true that zaid considers him “Nabi”. If he does, why would he call him corrupt on camera? Your 2+2 just does not become 4.

    I also suggest you don’t divert the issue from such important facts by throwing conjectures and slander upon us.

    I can quote numerous instances of you doing the same.

  18. Asif Shiraz says:

    This comparison made only incriminates Zaid Hamid further, because it would imply that ZH believes that Yusuf Kazaab is also on Haqq and as a Sahabi of Yusuf Kazaab he was compelled to also protect his Nabi (s.a.w) Naudhzubillah

    That implication simply does not hold even by a very strict application of argument logic. The only reason zaid “hid facts” was because he thought his service to pakistan should not get interrupted because of a stupid and corrupt dead man whom I have left for years. He was only saving himself, not yousaf, by such deception.

    Also by him not denouncing that the voice in the audio not being his, only goes to show that he was to bring forth the warped aqaid at some point or another.

    This exactly is what conjecture is: What is the proof that he was going to do something in future? Are you “aalim-ul-ghaib” to be able to claim this 100%?

    Look bro, I really don’t mean to be so harsh but really, hiding the truth is circumvent to lying

    Except if the intentions are good…. zaid doesnot compare to even the dust beneath the feet of Hz. abu bakr siddique (rz) but I did demonstrate the principle that sometimes, “hiding” facts is permissible. Zaid simply used that logic. Hiding a fact is at least better than claiming a fact which is totally unverifable and totally unauthentic e.g. foretelling what zaid will do in future.

  19. Asif Shiraz says:

    Will continue later.

  20. Aalya Qureshi says:

    Asalaamu ‘alaykum wa rahmatullah

    Wa Iyaaki

    I would like to highlight and clarify some mistakes I have made in my post ..

    Firstly , where I have written : ” This comparison made only incriminates Zaid Hamid further, because it would imply that ZH believes that Yusuf Kazaab is also on Haqq and as a Sahabi of Yusuf Kazaab he was compelled to also protect his Nabi (s.a.w) Naudhzubillah .”…

    (s.a.w ) was erroneously addded, Astagfirullah…I was referring to Yusuf Kazaab being the Nabi of ZH.

    Secondly, With regards to the group of christians who visited the Nabi (s.a.w). Who then went on to refuse the challege, which required invocating the curse in (3:61)…Incase anyone is misguided by my comment where i say ” and inadvertedly denouncing their belief.”, this is not to say that they became Muslims but, instead, to mean that they accepted to pay the Jizyyah . Thereby inadvertedly proving that their conviction and belief in the divinity of Isa (as) and that of him being the son of Allaah ( naudhzubillah ) was actually a weak, doubtful and negatable concept .

    I apologise to all and especially to those who i may have misguided in the above two points. may Allaah (swt) forgive me. InshAllaah.

    As for the rest of the note, my stand has not changed.

    BaraakAllaah Feekum for your kind du’as my brothers and sisters in Islaam , Alhamdulillah , we truly are blessed to be Muslims…. Allaahu Akbar.

    May Allaah(swt)guide us all and keep us steadfast on his deeyn. May He forgive and cover our mistakes and may He raise us, in The Herefater, with those He has favored the most. Ameen thumma ameen

  21. Asif Shiraz says:

    Bro , Hitler and his Ummah believed also that they were doing ” well intentioned good work “, it does not mean they were and that it is acceptable by what Allaah (swt) has allowed …Why , you may ask, because their aqaid and moral compass was wrong and not acceptable in Islaam.

    Agreed. Sincerely believing you are right does not make you right. You can say this to me. I can say this to you also regarding your sincere belief in the assumption that zaid is trying to spread yousaf’s ideology.

    My sincerest thoughts for you and others like yourself well beings, is that you guys have to leave him, truly.

    Define “leave” in terms of shariat… what do you mean by that? Does it mean that even if he is being falsely accused of trying to spread yousaf’s ideology, I should still not come out and speak the truth if the matter is known to me intimately?

    ZH is on a destructive path , So please don’t go down with him and take the step of warning others from going along with him ! This is the only redeemable factor left for any true Muslim.

    I take my redeemable factors from the Quran and Sunnah. My redeemable factor is to say the truth and defend what is right and condemn what is wrong.

    It’s also sad that you have come to attack this exposition page of ZH .

    Wrong. I did not attack them. They dragged me into this by trying to malign my name by posting a full length article on me on their website.

    i believe the rest of the Yusuf Kazaabs followers haven’t come out in the open and have not gathered a large audience or means to convey their warped beliefs.

    The risk with ZH is graeter because it has at stake the eemaan of ZH followers.

    That statement goes agaisnt you guys yourself. Elsewhere you quoted museelma kazzab’s case to say that everyone one of his followers was killed. Now you say, you are not going after them because they are not out in the open. So are you following “shariah” rulings, or are you following your personal judgements on what is most dangerous and what is not? You are going after a man who has nothing to do with yousaf anymore and ignoring those who actually follow him.

    He is converting an unacceptable belief into something halaal

    Completely incorrect as not being based on facts. BrassTacks never even mentioned yousaf to anyone. What is the evidence that we ever tried to promote yousaf? He has done so many TV programs. Did you find in any one of them that he mentioned anything objectionable?

    furthermore he will be able to sustain his cause through other business ventures

    Yet another conjecturable bahtaan. What other business venture? Do you even know what is monthly income is, and how he earns it?

    Brother, the concrete fact is that ZH doesn’t believe that Yusuf Kazab was wrong / a blaspehemer

    Right and wrong. Zaid does believe yousaf was wrong. He just doesn’t believe that yousaf’s statements were meant by him (yousaf) to convey him as prophet. This point of zaid might be wrong, but this is the only thing which is wrong about zaid. None other of your hypothetical assumptions are as yet, evidencable by facts. Again, if not calling kazzab a kazzab makes zaid a kazzab, than take him to shariat court? Why just settle down on online defemation campaigns. If this does not make him a kazzab, than you are doing a sin by defaming a muslim, who has recited kalimah on national television.

    lastly, In your arguements You also seems to forget that ZH wants to bring a Shariah system based on the way of Khilafah Rashideen. Tell us did they promote Muscians as role models towards their cause ?…

    That is again in incorrect statement. That fact that maria b and ali azmat help zaid, does not mean zaid has ever “promoted them as role models”. Allah(sw) hum jaison koe Nabi Paak(sm) kaa ummati banaye whuay hai… does this mean he is promoting gunahagaars like us? It is not about “promoting” anyone. It is about “accepting” people. Zaid accepts all kinds of people to join him in the service to pakistan. You can say glass is half emtpy. I can say its half full. That is a completely non issue. Who knows Allah(sw) ke nazdeen maria b is a better muslim than me. How can you say kon kitna acha hai? Only by appearance? If you want to judge by appearance, bismi-Allah. I do not.

    Anyhow, I shall leave you and Zaid Hamdians with this ayah :

    Allaah (swt) says, interpretation of the meaning [2: 208 ].

    O you who believe! Enter perfectly in Islâm (by obeying all the rules and regulations of the Islâmic religion) and follow not the footsteps of Shaitân (Satan). Verily! He is to you a plain enemy.

    Thank you. May Allah(sw) make us all enter Islam completely. If you have entered completely, congratulations, and keep praying for me.

  22. Aalya Qureshi says:

    @ Asif,

    Will wait for your entire tirade to finish before I reply InshAllaah . Am avidly looking forward it 🙂

  23. hesham syed says:

    Dear Asif,

    I understand the point you are trying to make in your fullest sincerity and I feel sorry that you have got yourself dragged in to these lengthy debates – but a Truth does not need many words , one simple statement can avoid all the fury , hiding , delaying , covering , using Taqaiya , avoiding , deception, long and wasteful arguments and what not.

    Please see my comment also posted today on Bait e Raza audio at this site.

    My advice to all well wishers of Zaid and to his followers and directly to Zaid also is that : why he has to play with words – Pakistanis young or old are not that dumb and blind by heart not to read in between the lines – Common sense prevail in all except those who are crooked by nature.

    How good a Muslim is Zaid no one should prove or debate – it is Zaid who has to prove himself and the basic requirement is not to play with the trust of People – His beating around the bush and running around here and there is making him dicy and a person not to be trusted – No one must ever compromise or sympathize with any one on the cost of Hurmatey Rasool ( sav )- period !

    If you all wish Zaid well – dont spend time in geting in to useless debates , spending long hours in proving your points by bringing examples from here and there to justify Zaid intention and action – What he is doing is totally absurd and wrong – It will hurt him, harm him even more than today – He has been avoiding to denounce Yusuf paleed an open gustakhey Rasool( sav ) and not calling him Kazab – If he had no feelings for him and does not still feel that Yusuf was victimized why should he defend him ? Zaid’s association, aqeedat with Yusuf is very open and clear – You are saying that he has done Tauba but Zaid never said it – It is only because of his past association and his deep rooted belief with all the genuine evidences on surface people are demanding Zaid to come out clean but he has continued playing with words and twisted statements and you all have got in to this battle of proving a point which Zaid does not want to prove – If Zaid is sincere let him catgoricaly make an open statement that he does not believe any more, in some one impersonating Muhammed ( sav ) and I call Yusuf a Kazab for his claim that he carried the spirit or noor of Muhammed ( sav )in him and he is the 92 appearance or eminence of Muhammed ( sav ), hence causing an insult to Hazrat Muhammed Mustafa ( sav ).
    Please Save time and concentrate in bringing Zaid back to his senses instead of getting in to arguments – Arguments breeds arguments.
    Be simple , genuine, straight forward and focus where you need to focus . God bless and help all those who are genuinely disturbed because of all what is going on !

  24. Siddiqui says:


    So tell us how are the two issues comparable and applicable for this invocation to be invoked in ZH case ? ???. I think you have no idea what the implications are, otherwise you wouldn’t have suggested this !!!! The implcations being the curse would continue throughout the family lineage of those who are being cursed. Future family members who would have no opportunity to make it to Jannah. Do you really wish to apply this curse on ZH’s Kids also and on their children etc

    WHAT!!!
    Did you just made that up or have you been reading too much “Pauline Doctrine” of “Original Sin”?
    Sin of Adams passing to his off-springs (human race) as a curse generations after generations. And to grant salvation from this curse God sent his only son Jesus to be crucified (Naozubillah).

    What a load of %/&§-%&/$…
    Never heard something like this…

  25. Mujahid Fisabi-Lillah says:

    Asif since Zaid kazzab told you personally his believes about yousaf kazzab
    (which ALLAH knows the best) you are therefore feeling very important hence think he is right!!!!You people just need some importance given by shytan to feel elated and inflated…

    The videos where he claimed that he great Sufi saint, abusing all Ulema Ikram as 2 takay kay log just because they asked him to show his believes about kazzab, writing Muhemmed for Prophet Muhammad SAW,threating Ulema Ikram and speaking the same language for Ulema Ikram which yousaf kazzab use to speak, what was that….

    Where was SO your CALLED JUSTICE when Zaid Kazzab called every one as CIA agent anyone who dare ask about his faith regarding kazzab…in this way provoking mummy daddy burger kids to do something haram like beating people and killing people for this shytan merdood..
    His wife has left HIM and She knows more than anyone else …His suser is against him

    Calling other as CIA agent is worst then kaffir…..and it is biggest BOHTAAN Zaid Kazzab has put on everyone……….

    You said he make TUUABE infront of you …..

    I say he could have or could not have make taube infront of you…but later he again turn back from his TAUBA and accepted his relation to Yousaf Kazzab religion again….because Shytan usually mislead egoist person easily……

    Person who praise Yousaf Kazzab infront of young student is ASHIQ E YOUSAF kazzab and not rasool Allah…

    • @Mujahid Fisabi-Lillah you wrote

      The videos where he claimed that he great Sufi saint, abusing all Ulema Ikram as 2 takay kay log just because they asked him to show his believes about kazzab, writing Muhemmed for Prophet Muhammad SAW

      Please note that Zaid Hamid does not write Muhemmed for Prophet Muhammad SAW. When he writes Sayyadna Muhemmed Rasool Allah, he is calling Yusuf Kazab as Rasool Allah. Muhemmed is the name of Yusuf Kazab. Yusuf instructed his followers to write his name as Muhemmed Rasol Allah.

      Whenever Zaid Hamid and other Kazab followers have to write the name of our holy prophet saaw. They still write Muhammad saaw.

  26. A muslim says:

    will Asif lets keep it very simple, the problem is that Zaid hamid was witnessed by too many people defending and following Yousuf Kazab during the court proceedings……. so if there are many witnesses for this act now there should be alot of witnesses for his tauba as will, Specially the Ulama. Asif Shiraz witness and giving baraa,h to Zaid is simply not acceptable because he is not a Religious scholar.

  27. Mujahid Fisabi-Lillah says:

    Person who praise Yousaf Kazzab infront of young student is ASHIQ E YOUSAF kazzab and not rasool Allah…
    and person who support this Asiq e Yousaf Kazzab is another Kazzab …

    Admin…These guyz people suffering from ARROGANCE and HAUGHTINESS….Just like Yousaf Kazzab was not willing to accept his GUNAH KABIRA, Zaid Hamid will not accept HIS GUNAh Kabira and Asifs like will not accept Gunah Kabira…

    Sytan is alway friend of Shytan….A person always like the person of this nature….

    Please BAN HIM now it enough…..

    • @Mujahid Fisabi-Lillah I would request you to please be calm. Why do you get aggressive on everyone. You started a heated debate with Hesham Sahib. You started a heated debate with a girl on Facebook who just asked a question – but was not wearing a hijab. That girl never came back to ask another question.

      We are not here to kick people out. This community is his as much as its yours. And since his opinion is being discussed here, how can we kick him out ?

      He has all the right to present his point of view and we will make sure that his point of view is aptly published on this site.

      Mujahid Fisabi-Lillah Brother show some patience.

  28. A muslim says:

    I will Agree with Mujahid brother …… if there is a room for discussion we should discuss it will help clarify the issue further and will help people realize the real situation of this case… and all are discussing it for a good… difference of opinion exists every where and it is not they way if some one is not accepting our explanation we would kick him out…aggression is not the way to deal with such issues brother…. be calm and if you cannot continue to discuss it have a listening ear bro…… JazakAllah khair

  29. A muslim says:

    sorry for the typographical error I was agreeing with Fidayei Rasool brother

  30. A muslim says:

    Sidique Sahib I think you don’t know about the concept of Mubahalah and how it works ….. I will suggest to read the very Famous Mubahalah of Mulana Sana Ullah Amritsari With Gulam Ahmad Qadyani (علیه العنه), it will help you understand what Asif was mentioning.

  31. A muslim says:

    in responce to quote number 16 of Asif…….

    If you are witness to so many things …. why you don’t bring him in front of a jury of Ulama to announce his tauba and bury this whole issue once and for all. For being a muslim Iqrar bil lisan and tasdeeq bilqalb is the compulsory. when one is found standing with a Kazab and defending him, what will you say to him?? The rule is if some one does so he have to repent publicly without hesitation, all hesitation and refraining will increase doubts in his aqeedah…. With regards

  32. Hammad Khan says:

    Asif,

    First of all I appreciate your coming forward and having the courage to bring your real identity out in the open in order to present your point of view. I have yet to see another video from either side of the issue of a person revealing their true identity. Bravo for that!

    I also appreciate your integrity in standing up for what you believe in the face of relentless criticism and opposition (even threats of mild violence 😉

    I agree with you that there is no evidence of ZH or BT trying to “promote the ideology of Yusuf Kazzab”. All this talk of spelling of Muhammad/Muhemmed (as if there is a canonical English spelling), Lal top ki haqeeqat, subliminal messages, etc sounds a little too kooky and conspiracy theory-ish. I would like to humbly request ZHE team to focus on other more concrete things, as they have done in the past.

    Now if this has started to sound like I am another ZH supporter. Let me categorically state that I am his fierce opponent. I have had heated arguments with many of my friends over him. I would oppose him even if this Yusuf Kazzab did not exist at all.

    The reason is simple: ZH is manipulative, a spin doctor and a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR!!! He is also somebody who likes to pull theories from his nether regions and stick it up his listeners nostrils and they snort it up like a bunch of coke-heads.

    I should not have to elaborate on his post-YK lies since ZHE team has done a phenomenal job of exposing that. But some of his earlier stories that he never provided any evidence for:

    1) Hamid Mir is CIA “asset” (ZH is probably a fan of the Bourne trilogy). A serious bohtan on a muslim, accusing him of working for kuffar and being a traitor. No proof required?
    2) His story about a Pakistani soldier accidentally crossing the border into India and meeting “Sakina”.
    3) A “delegation” of Dalits and shoodars from India visiting Pakistan and requesting to meet ZH.
    4) Ajmal Kasab is actually “Amar Singh” and is a RAW agent.
    5) David Ben-Gurion telling his people to “Stike and crush Pakistan”. This was actually admitted by Ahmad Quraishi to be a lie on his FB fanpage (justified by “if they can use lies for propaganda why can’t we?”)

    … among others.

    Now about my disagreements with you:

    1) I merely wrote that note as a maslihat to avoid the current fitna. I only “hid” or “circumvented” the truth.

    If you merely wanted to circumvent, you should have just said ZH and BT has nothing to do with Yusuf’s ideology and that is that. But for you to sit there with the knowledge of the association in your heart and go the extra mile to accuse anybody who tries to bring it up as being “small persons”, “propagandists”, “spinners”, “baatil” and above all “blasphemers” has no justification whatsoever. Moreover, you compared these accusations with the accusations on the Prophet (S.A.W) himself!

    2) It was just a hastily typed note and I did not pay much attention to the exact words used.

    The problem is that once you use the words “I can testify, in witness of Allah(sw) and his Prophet(sm)”, you are under oath.

    3) I know what my niyyat was and the matter is between me and Allah. You guys can “go to hell!”

    Well, you wrote this stuff to muslims with the intention of leading them astray. If you check the ZH fanpage, many ppl are now so entranced by ZH that they are actually defending YK even if all the accusations are true! They compare him with Hallaj and Bastami. Maybe some of those people’s imaans could have been saved if you had not scared them of “blasphemy” earlier.

    I think you should apologize to the people for writing this note.

    4) The only problem with ZH is that he is not calling Yusuf a “kazzab”. Once he does that and does tauba, you should all join him back.

    What about his habit of lying and deceiving to wiggle his way out of a problem? In my opinion Mr. ZH has lost all credibility and cannot be trusted as a leader.

    5) “only thing zaid is saying is that in his view point, yousaf was only a misguided, self-decieved individual, and not a kazzab.”

    what is the definition of Kazzab if not simply “liar”? Kazzab does not mean claim of prophethood. ZH’s current stance on this issue is indefensible. He can come out and clearly say that he does not believe that YK was the “continuation” of Mohammad (S.A.W), and if Y.A did claim so then he was indeed Y.K).

    His continued silence is merely fanning the flames of suspicion and hatred. Now people are actually posting videos bashing Deobandis and Barelwis. This is a terrible fitna and I pray to Allah that this is resolved as soon as possible.

  33. What are you guys doing? says:

    @Hesham Syed: Agree with you 100% brother.

    1. ZH’s sin was public, he should repent in public.
    2. He needs to call Yusuf a Kazzab not because he was or was not, but to ensure the fact that his beliefs are no longer what they used to be.

    @ all:

    Let’s not make this an onlinekufrfatwa.com website. The work being done here is sacred and should therefore be handled with wisdom.

    I remember, i once asked Maulana Zar Wali Khan Sahab about preaching Islam on TV. He said, its like sitting on top of a heap of garbage, and talking about cleanliness.
    Same is the case here. We’ve been forcefully brought on to the internet (which again is a fitnah and dirt) to defend the honor of our Prophet Alaihi Ssalaatu wassalaam. We therefore need to do this with patience, and honor.

    Also, remember the aayah “ud’u ilaa sabeeli Rabbika bil Hikmati wal mau’izah, wa jaadilhum billati hiya ahsan”. Don’t frighten away the children of colleges and universities who’s minds have been shadowed by this “personality worship”. If you guys are harsh on them, they’ll leave, never to return. They’re our fellow Muslim brothers. Be soft and welcoming towards them. Don’t label them “Kazzabis” and “Liars” etc. etc. Listen to their opinion, don’t reject it, tell them with peace and love that they are wrong, and here are the reasons why we believe that ZH is preaching his aqaaid, with the coverpage of Patriotism.

    Just my 2 cents. Wassalaam.

  34. Syed Hassan Asif says:

    @Hammad: Appreciations for a balanced analysis.

  35. Mujahid Fisabi-Lillah says:

    Fidaiye Rasool SAAW,

    For Bro Hesham Syed I have respect for his sincerity . I wrongly thought that he was follower of Yousaf Kazzab and returned back …I ask him to forgive me for such a huge blunder Openly.And it was my laziness not to ask for the forgiveness that time.I did not have heated discussion with him recently after I read his poetry and other articles which were written with sincerity and love for Prophet SAW …

    He has same veiw about Prophet Muhammad SAW as by elder brother does who is angry over me.I am 180 degree opposite to it.Infact I put the verses before him to think and reply me about that and was not at all fighting with him.You have taken me wrong.
    I pray ALLAH the master to guide me and him to the best right concept about Islam on that very sensitve issue related to Aqeedah TAwheed.

    and about that girl to whom I ask to wear HIJAB and my anger over Asif…Oh bhai I have learnt from my past experience if you know me through facebook since the beginning that softness infact spoil them more and drag them into useless argument….

    It act a fodder for their EGO..

    If you think my appraoch is not right then I will try to stay away and just read your people comments…

    I think that giving them room is like giving room to arabian camel…

    Allah Hafiz…

    • @Mujahid Fisabi-Lillah Bhai merey. I have not said to stay away. Bus all I am saying is that haat hola rakha kerein 🙂 Haat hola ka matlab samjhte hein ?

      What I mean to say is that please do give a person time. Like if he does one two comments. Those initial comments could be replied humbly. Us ke baad banday ke asliyat samajh aa jati hai ke behas barai behas ke lie aya hai ye waqai sincerely asking a question to understand.

      Thats all what I meant. Please mind na karein kisi baat ka

  36. Asif Shiraz says:

    You have all avoided my other question. If Zaid Hamid qualifies on Shariah standards to be a “murtad” and “kazzab”, then why are you hesitating from taking his case to the same courts that sentenced yousaf, and have him sentenced also? There are only two possibilities here.

    a) Shariah does not allow calling zaid hamid a “murtad” and “kazzab”.
    b) Sharia does allow calling zaid hamid a “murtad” and “kazzab”.

    In case of (a) your calling a muslim a murtad is bahtaan and a sin.
    In case of (b) instead of accepting authority of individual online campaigners, we will wait on what the courts (and court’s official sharia advisors) decide on the matter, and either have Zaid Hamid be sentenced and executed, or else be declared innocent.

    You can avoid (b) above temporarily for sake of maslihat and resources and preparation, but ultimately, in the long run, if you do not do either one of the above, then in my eyes, your actions will never recieve approval, and I will always keep considering zaid hamid innocent per his own video recorded words that he does not follow any false prophet.

  37. Mujahid Fisabi-Lillah says:

    Yes brother Got your point..JazakAllah..

  38. hesham syed says:

    @Mujahid,

    What ever be your real name, God knows only – I never have done any heated discussion with you , I know most of you who visit and comment at this site are much younger to me so I have all the patience to bear remarks which can be even rude some time – I know people misunderstand people – and they take their own time to switch from one concept to another – There is always a room for accomodating other”s views – There is no end to learning.

    Ilm kiya Ilm kee haqeeqat kia
    Jo bhi jis key gumaan meiN aaiey

    Never the less , I know you all are sincere to the cause – difference of opinion is a healthy sign – at least you all think independantly and express yourself articulately. Aur yeah suratey haal naheen hai key chali hai rasm jahaaN koyee na sar uttha key chaley.

    Yes your perception that I was a Mureed of Yusuf was very disgusting to me as the thought itself made me sick – I am glad that you corrected yourself / Thanks – Let me also tell you that in one isolated meeting Yusuf told me that Prophet ( sav ) ney mujh sey Aap key baarey meiN kaha hai key main Aap ki khidmat karooN — And I replied to him : in that case I should be your Peer and I took the whole thing non-seriously because I never believed even one word he said and he really did not know nothing about my spiritual journey despite of all his phony claims — he was a sad case !!

    You need to read more of my articles and poems to get a few more shocks before you really settle down – Many people are on my circulation list or read these in papers published in North America mostly . if you wish you can send me your email address to be on the list of circulation , if at all you can take this risk !

    God bless !

  39. zaigham says:

    @A muslim

    im not saying something against the mubahala…
    im commenting on its implication…
    if the implications are really that
    future generations are going to be
    deprived of salvation because of
    some ancestor of theirs
    then its a Great Injustice…

    sins carrying out their journey down
    a lineage is not a Muslim concept but
    Pauline in its origin… due to the
    underlying injustice i cannot accept
    this concept…

  40. Abu Muhammad says:

    @ Zaigham

    The ‘Mubahilah’ is dependent upon the oath that a person takes.

    If a person makes a statement in ‘Mubahilah’ by taking oath of Allah that

    “If he is wrong then May Allah curse be on him, his family and the rest of those who follow the family”

    Thus depending upon the statement of the ‘Mubahilah’, the cursing will go on.

    It doesn’t have to do with the ‘sin’, it has to do with the ‘oath of Mubahilah’.

  41. zaigham says:

    @Abu Muhammad

    “The implcations being the curse would continue throughout the family lineage of those who are being cursed. Future family members who would have no opportunity to make it to Jannah.Do you really wish to apply this curse on ZH’s Kids also and on their children etc.”

    whatever the oath my friend… but my future generations have nothing to do with it…

    Islam teaches that sin is an act and not a state of being. Sin or rather let me say “CURSE” as an state of being is not our concept.

    That lady clearly stated future generations would have no chance of going to Jannah because it is one implication of the curse. If there is no sin how can they be deprived of Jannah cos of some Mubahala of their fore-father…

  42. Abu Muhammad says:

    @ Zaigham

    First, Mubahilah is the last stage of dialog when both parties don’t agree on.

    You said
    whatever the oath my friend… but my future generations have nothing to do with it…

    Very respectfully brother, it does and that is why if your taking an oath of Allah on something, you should be careful.

    As for sin this is agreed that it doesn’t go down to generation just like Christians have this concept of original sin.

    Thus is different – Mubahilah – Invoking the wrath and curse of Allah upon the one, if one is wrong. “Sin” and “Curse” is different my brother.

    If the sister assumes that the ‘Mubahilah’ oath will be on the person himself and the family and the coming generation, then yeah, it will continue on. Otherwise, it is dependent on the oath of Mubahilah. The person can very well take a Mubahilah on himself as well.

    Anyone whom Allah send His curse, will not enter Jannah.

    If the person repents over this mistake, this is waived off.

    Mubahilah should be done mostly with non-Muslims or to those to whom Takfeer is made based on ‘Aqaid. ( like one Mubahilah of Mulana Sana Ullah Amritsari with Ghulam Ahmed Qadynai which lead to the death of Ghulam Ahmed Qadynai in an impure state )

    For example:
    Qadyani Mubahilah will have the person who is wrong getting cursed till they die and all those who follow among their family member who believe in Qadyani will also have the same affect based on the ‘oath of Mubahilah’.

    Please note the exception, if some among the family member or generation repents and comes back to Islaam, then certainly this curse of Allah will not be applied.

    We need to have the context clear in this regard. No one is arguing here that ‘sin’ is transferred. Also same Islamic rules apply then a person is not accountable till puberty. After that if he chooses to follow the deviant, he’ll not be waived from the same cursing.

    Hope this clarifies further. Insha’Allah.

  43. zaigham says:

    lady said:
    “…Future family members who would have no opportunity to make it to Jannah…”

    and you said:
    “…Please note the exception, if some among the family member or generation repents and comes back to Islam, then certainly this curse of Allah will not be applied…”

    If a person is following Islam, he is entitled to have salvation as promised by Allah. If he is not doing the right things then Mubahala or no-Mubahala he is not entitled to have salvation. What does he not following the tenets of Islam has any thing to do with the Mubahala of his fore-father.

    Brother, your exception is nothing different from the general islamic concept i.e. every person is responsible for his or herself. So its not an exception even if try and make it appear as an exception.

    “Thus is different – Mubahilah – Invoking the wrath and curse of Allah upon the one, if one is wrong. “Sin” and “Curse” is different my brother.”

    You commit sin and curse is on you. Sin is personal and curse is foreign. Thats clear. But she said curse will pass down the generations. And BECAUSE of the curse, no possibility Jannah.

    My friend you should read again:
    ““The implcations being the curse would continue throughout the family lineage of those who are being cursed. Future family members who would have no opportunity to make it to Jannah.Do you really wish to apply this curse on ZH’s Kids also and on their children etc.””

    Lets break it down into questions:

    WHAT has future generation done no to deserve Jannah? On what CHARGE will they be deprived of Jannah?

    Why should the curse pass to the future generations? (Please some reason my brother and not “Very respectfully brother, it does…”)

  44. zaigham says:

    Volume 5, Book 59, Number 663: Narrated Hudhaifa:

    Al-‘Aqib and Saiyid, the rulers of Najran, came to Allah’s Apostle with the intention of doing Lian one of them said to the other, “Do not do (this Lian) for, by Allah, if he is a Prophet and we do this Lian, neither we, nor our offspring after us will be successful.” Then both of them said (to the Prophet ), “We will give what you should ask but you should send a trustworthy man with us, and do not send any person with us but an honest one.” The Prophet said, “I will send an honest man who Is really trustworthy.” Then every one of the companions of Allah’s Apostle wished to be that one. Then the Prophet said, “Get up, O Abu ‘Ubaida bin Al-Jarrah.” When he got up, Allah’s Apostle said, “This is the Trustworthy man of this (Muslim) nation.”

    In the above hadith the concept of curse (or sin whatever) being passed down is shown to be the perception of christian delegation. It is not the opinion of the Prophet (PBUH). Which was precisely my point; the concept smells of Pauline doctrine”.

  45. khan says:

    Subhanallah!

    amazing response…

  46. Asif Shiraz says:

    Nobdoy has answered my question. If it can be proven that zaid is following kazzab yousaf and by doing this himself becomes a kazzab, why are you guys not taking his case to the court so zaid can be punished? You guys do not have money for a lawyer, or are you afraid you cannot prove zaid hamid as a kazzabi in court? Or is it that you are afraid the court will not give a decision in your favour? Or are you preparing towards that end and just need time?

  47. A muslim says:

    @Zaigham
    will brother no one is agreeing with pauline doctrine about Original sin…..I know there is no such concept in Islam. every person is responsible for his own deeds.

  48. Muhammad Avais says:

    @ Asif Shiraz:
    Is it really u who were talking in that video??? or some1 using ur name??
    well.. i dont have any personal relation with ATKN other then my complete support so my answer is not their response..
    YES.. i will do it at my own whenever is possible and i know there are hundreds of thousands like myself..

    As far as courts are concenrned, i would consider Fatwas from authentic Ulimas as a shariat court. ppl calling zaid kazzab do it individually and in a sence of liar not directly in the sence of blasphamy. So challenge this court thingy once you find a fatwa calling zaid hamid a “KAZZAB”.
    As for as the matter of zaid hamid being liar and a companion of a KAZZAB(which has been proved and then approved by all major ulimas), our duty is to bring light to all fellow muslim brothers to our extent and specially when that person is trying to become the lead for a (So Called)khilafat system. So this is not defaming/bohtan etc. if u need proof of myself calling him liar and yusuf kazzab’s khalifa, ask!!!

    Frankly speaking, no one expected that Zaid Hamid will take the matter to this extent.. we blvd that after the pressure he will come back to the right path and frankly which was not a big issue(If he had actually done tauba as u said). But after watching his stance, i personally blv that he has a proper agenda in his mind and there are evidences that being a khalifa of yusuf kazzab will have some role in his future plans. I am not putting bohtan, its just my personal openion(I have been going through all his writings and lectures since the issue has started and have found many resemblances between his model of khilafat and yusuf kazzab’s future idiology).

    As for as matter of yusuf kazzab and his blasphemy is concerned, i blv its uselss to debate with u on the matter coz so many evidences have been given here hence i find it completely nonsense to debate with a person like u who have been following ZHE for so long. Furthermore i think you have the same view as we do (plz correct me if i m wrong)

    So main question in ur debate is the reality of zaid hamid’s relation with kazzab. I was thinking that the TAUBA(if he had actually did as u said and mentioned in points), if he doesnt do it in front of public, how should we treat it? excuse of ego.. or something similar?? maslehat as u said (BTW the logic of maslehat has long been vanished since it has become a hot issue)??
    WHAT do u say brother? Do one thing if u are actually sincere with Islam

    Answer above questions and give a very simple and clear statement about ur stand point on zaid hamid(about his status, ability to lead a great cause, lies which have been caught during this issue and his defense of yusuf KAZZAB, his deniel of calling yusuf a KAZZAB) without any counter argument.

    I am asking you because now i m confused about contradictions in ur video and in ur current messages (I may be wrong but this is what i felt and blv many ppl are feeling)

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