Aalami Majlise Tahafuze Khatam e Nabuwat Gives An OPEN Challenge to Zaid Hamid

To all concerned this is an Open Challenge from Aalami Majlise Tahafuze Khatam e Nabuwat (AMTKN) to Zaid Hamid. The Khatam e Nabuwat organization has offered Zaid Hamid to choose a venue of his own choice for the debate. However, the debate would be OPEN i.e. would be recorded on Camera and any one wishing to view it live should be allowed entry to the Debate Hall.

Aalami Majlise Tahafuze Khatam e Nabuwat will not go to Zaid Hamid’s office and have a hidden and behind closed doors meeting. If Zaid Hamid has nothing to hide and if he is the one standing for THE TRUTH, we challenge him to accept the offer of Aalami Majlise Tahafuze Khatam e Nabuwat.

24 comments on “Aalami Majlise Tahafuze Khatam e Nabuwat Gives An OPEN Challenge to Zaid Hamid

  1. hesham syed says:

    Why you guys are giving Zaid Hameed so much of importance and challenging him for debate – if he is showing no respect to Prophet Muhammed ( saw ) and still has symapthy with Yusuf imposter and a lunitec then he or like him must be dealt with appropropriately and strongly. No nonsense should be tolerated against Muhammed ( saw ). Calling those who can not see even day light is futile and a disgrace of Ulemahs and Prophet ( saw ) lovers.

  2. Moulana Saeed Ahmed Jalalpuri Assasinated says:

    مولانا سعید جلالپوری جاں بحق
    کراچی: کراچی میں نامعلوم افراد کی فائرنگ سے مولانا سعید جلا ل پوری سمیت چار افراد جاں بحق ہو گئے۔ آج نیوز کے مطابق کراچی کے علاقے گلزار ہجری پاکستان پوسٹ آفس سوسائٹی کے قریب نامعلوم افراد نے عالمی مجلس ختم نبوت کے سربراہ مولانا سعید جلال پوری پر قاتلانہ حملہ کیا۔حملے کے نتیجے میں مولانا سعید جلال پوری ، ان کے صاحبزادے اور دیگر دو افراد جاں بحق ہوگئے۔ فائرنگ کے بعد علاقے میں کشیدگی پھیل گئی

    [img]http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/mar2010-daily/11-03-2010/updates/3-11-2010_23833_1.gif[/img]

  3. @ Hesham Syed:

    Zaid Hamid face should come on public. Just as Yousuf Kazzab was brought out.
    It is very important to show the reality of Zaid Hamid to crazy people.

  4. djAl. says:

    Maulana Saeed Ahmed Jalalpuri has been gunned down in karachi today . InAllah Wa Inah Elehay Rajeoon. the same name appears on the article above . any connections ?

  5. MaXes says:

    I am not jumping to any conclusions but the organization issuing the challenge above reminds me of something from the history books in medieval Europe. i remember reading about the trials of people being tried by the court of a Church for not being Christian, being a witch, signing a pact with the devil and all other kinds of things considered infidel in the Christian faith of the time. ‘The Spanish Inquisition’ is one set of popular tales if you guys wanna search that up.
    There are stories of people being tried for heresy and given punishment even when they being denying doing those things. they were burned at stake or other forms of torturous methods were used for executions. and not to mention, many times, the trials were not fair and based on some loony superstition.
    My point is, like those Churches (which were a pretty powerful force politically at that time), we are jumping to and drawing conclusions too soon. i like the debate idea, but you know it stinks of disrespect and belittling the opponent beforehand. And being a (supposedly)peaceful and cultured kind of people, the style of this letter doesnt suit us. apart from issuing a challenge, even a dumbhead can spot the intended humiliation and unnecessary accusations upfront.

    Side note: apart from everything else here, let us think for a while on another matter. A person gets accused and proven guilty in a court, gets sentenced to death, but gets killed before his sentence is carried out and funny isn’t it, nobody cares to show any concern but be happy about it. if sentenced, that man should have been executed following proper standard and protocol. its a shame for us that our system fail to carry it out properly and we remain happy. Yup! i am talking ‘Yousuf’.

  6. Abu Muhammad says:

    @ MaXes

    1. We are not Christians. We follow Shari’ah and based upon that we make our judgement.

    2. Whenever, you challenge openly, you make your stance clear and this is what Ulama did? Where in your wild dreams have you concluded that it is humiliation to put your stance regarding the opponent, if this is what he is? By the way, you forgot to mention your ‘peaceful’ and ‘cultured’ kind of discussion of Zaid Hamid of 9mm pistol challenge? This open challenge is far better in manners (infact perfectly in manners) than what Zaid Hamid did? Do you love forgetting Zaid Hamid intentionally?

    3. When Ghazi Alam Deen Shaheed, killed Lajpal, for his blasphemy and he got convicted by the Taghut Court. Ghazi Alam Deen Shaheed is still remembered in good. Where does your Yousuf Kazzab stands for, if he was really killed after being convicted? Other than Zaid Hamid and cult, who supports that cursed? We are still happy for Ghazi Alam Deen Shaheed even because of his conviction, because we believe Allah had a message to convey to humanity of this new era, not to compromise on the blasphemy of Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu ‘alayhi wassallam).

    4. It is not a preferred choice for Scholars to go to Taghut Courts, to seek judgement in these serious matters. But the point is that they have no alternatives of Shari’ah Courts. No one should make an excuse and say Ulama are wrong in this judgement.

  7. MaXes says:

    @ Abu Muhammad Bhai

    No need to mention that we are muslims, that thing is obviously clear. let me tell you two stories.
    1) the reason why it reminded me of medieval europe is because at that time the biased court used to get convictions no matter what. the accused would scream that i am not a heretic but the court would say otherwise and based on weak circumstantial evidence(which could have been used either way), the person would be killed.
    2) you should know better than me that during a Ghazwa a Sahabi pinned down an enemy, that unlucky guy screamed the Shahada (Kalima) but the Sahabi killed him anyways. The Prophet S.W was not happy with that and expressed his disapproval.

    two contrasting stories about how to judge people. and i know you would like to go with number 2.

    on the other side:

    my heart cries when my people go so stupid to believe anything they are told without any HARD evidence. and even when evidence is there the other side should be consulted. The idea of debate was conceived two years before, if that was denied the could should have been approached, why make so much fuss and the character assassination all that time.

    I am an engineer by profession and by nature (and my being muslim goes perfectly hand in hand with that). i tend to look at life based on verifiable hardcore facts. THEREFORE this also implies that i am not a fan of Zaid Hamid, who many times uses stories from our history books (many of our stories in our history books are way exaggerated, clearly exaggerated) and i dont like that a bit. e.g. Mr. Zaid hamid once said “60 sahabas under Kalid bin Walid went to destroy a lashkar of thausands and succeeded”. i know he didnt made that up, he read it somewhere and passed it on. I also dont like him because he lashes out against indians INDISCRIMINATELY. I have many indian friends here and my friends are all nice people. i cannot show them a speech of Zaid hamid because of the hatred he spreads on that front……

    You know, the war of 1857. there were some ulemas that made it haram to fight the British. there were some who declare Jinnah Kafir (they do that even now btw). conclusion: dont follow blindly. i like the press release of the organization headed by Dr. Israr regarding this matter. I was full of joy when i saw a proper protocol being followed during the discussion made in that release, analyzing every angle in an unbiased way. Thats how i think Ulemas should be.

    finally, i respect the law. if somebody takes it into his own hands, he should be held accountable. e.g. a person commits blasphemy and his neighbour (out of love of the prophet ofcourse) kills him. My opinion is that the neighbor should be tried of murder. Thats the reason i dont like a person who should be killed to be killed in that way. (therefore i remained againsed yousuf’s killing the way it happened).

  8. MaXes says:

    off the main discussion, i need to share some other views. I am in Germany these days and i bear witness to that people here are acting more like a Muslim than we are. they call it the modern society but the manners and daily dealings of peoples and government are very close to those practiced by Muhammad SW and khulafa e rashidin. I need my people to look onto themselves and think why did that happen….. no need to reply to this thread, its just an opinion i needed to share.

  9. Abu Muhammad says:

    @ MaXes

    As you suggested I’ll comment on 2nd point of yours to clarify the things for you:

    The hadith regarding the Sahabi who killed that person explains that a person should be judged by the APPARENT, not by the WILL OR INTENTION and that is something I believe your trying to say and that is same we believe in as well.

    This is exactly what we are saying to Zaid Hamid that APPARENTLY, since you are not denouncing Kazzab and his beliefs, we’ll judge you accordingly. If you denounce him and his beliefs and call him Kazzab, the demand of Shari’ah to judge by APPARENT will be fulfilled and there will be nothing left to go further. If not, we have every right from Shar’iah point of view to proceed.
    Hope this is clear.

    Please go through the evidence, they are as HARD as anything – if you will give some time and go through it properly. All Ex-Mureeds of Yousuf Kazzab have made that clear what he believed and exposed him and all the evidences are piled up. I suggest you read the Dairy of Yousaf Kazzab to see by yourself what kind of Aqeedah he held and preached. I don’t feel there is any reason to cry over this, while we are following this matter through Shari’ah point of view? Would you explain clearly, where we are wrong then from Shari’ah point of view as per your claim?

    Good to hear of your experience outside and interactions. However, we also don’t make our judgment indiscriminately. Being a leader of Kufr is totally different than being a Kafir – who very well can be treated as per Islamic rules of Ikhlaaq and manners. For you to assume this of us is also
    not correct.

    Your assumption that we follow Ulama blindly is also not correct. Dr. Israar issue of Yousuf being Kazzab is same as Khatm-e-Nabuwwat Ulama. Where is the difference, while Dr. Israar made it clear that they will not accept of it, unless he categorically publicly make his stance clear that he disowns Yousuf Kazzab and his beliefs.

    Finally, you can be true on your comment, but as for Yousuf Kazzab, he already had been convicted and sentenced to death. Thus, why to defend him saying, it is was an unnecessary killing? But, at the same time, we don’t think that the blasphemous cartoonists who committed blasphemy will be put in trial in any court, because his blasphemy is obvious to the whole Muslim Ummah, and they are already liable to a being killed. [Something even Zaid Hamid fans would agree or should agree]

  10. biomat says:

    SALAM
    Last night i posted my comments but i cant see it, dont know if blocked or not.. Any way. Brother i respect your efforts. But i think Dr Israr will be happy to see this update made on official facebook of Zaid Hamid.. What is your response on this..
    I think this is fair enough.. Hope this time it will be posted.. Jaza-k-ALLAH
    http://www.facebook.com/brasstackspakis … 0843273628
    Syed Zaid Zaman Hamid [Official] For those who have hearts and eyes, we once again categorically announce that there is no God but Allah and حضور رسول اللہ سیدنا محمد بن عبدللہ صلاللہ علیہ وسلم is the last of the prophets and Khatim un Nibiyyin. There will be no prophet after Him and all those who claim to be prophets after Huzur (saw) are liars!. We …are NOT followers of Yusuf ali. Only Allah knows his fate and curse be upon all liars!!!

  11. Abu Muhammad says:

    @ Biomat

    Waalaikum asslam wa rahmatullah,

    Please note that this blog is not an official site of Zaid Hamid, where his official statements are posted. I saw in a couple of posts your same official statement of him as comment, without any question or feedback or clarification.

    Make your statement very clear, what you want us to reply to. Useless comments to spam our blog with Zaid Hamid official statements are not tolerated, unless some clarification is asked with regard to their comments.

    Also, I suggest that you take sometime out to go through all our posts. This will save your time and our time as well, not to ask repeated questions.

    This is our response
    http://zaidhamidexposition.org/2010/03/10/refutation-of-zaid-hamids-announcement-of-baraaat-from-yusuf-kazab/

    Hope this is clear.

  12. زیدحامدپہ اعتراضات کا جواب
    آپ نے کہازیدحامد ایک علالم نہیں ہے۔۔۔۔۔آپ نے کہا عالم وہ ہوتا ہےجو نماز کی دعوت دے۔۔۔۔۔آپ نے بالکل غالط کہا۔۔۔۔ڈکشنری دیکھیں تو پتا چلتا ہے علم رکھنے والے کو عالم کہتے ہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔جس کے پاس جتنا زیادہ علم ہو گا وہ اتنا بڑا عالم ہو گا۔۔۔۔۔۔زیدحامد اپنے مدلل تجزیوں سے اپنی علمی حثیت منوا چکا ہے۔۔۔۔۔اب اگلی بات زید حامد نماز کی دعوت کیوں نہیں دیتا۔۔۔۔۔اب دیکھیں پاکستان میں کتنے مولوی ہیں۔۔۔۔۔ظاہری بات ہے بے شمار ہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔۔سب نماز کی دعوت دیتے ہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔اور انکی دعوت کتنے لوگ قبول کر تے ہیں یہ بھی آپ کو پتا ہے۔۔۔۔۔زیدحامد پاکستان میں جمہوری خلافت قائم کرنا چاہتا ہے جو میر ے خیال میں نماز کی دعوت دینے سے کہیں زیادہ عظیم کام ہے ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔کیونکہ جب بنیاد ہی خراب ہو تو آپ جتنی مر ضی نماز کی دعوت دے لیں کو ئی فا ئدہ نہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔زید حامد نماز کی دعوت نہیں دیتا۔۔۔۔مگر وہ پانچ وقت نماز پڑھتا لازمی ہےوہ منہ سے نہیں کہتا مگر میں ایسے بہت سے نوجوانوں کو جانتا ہوں۔جنہوں نے زید حامد کو دیکھ کر نماز پڑ ھنا شروع کی۔۔۔۔یہ ہو تا ہے کر یکٹر۔۔۔۔۔۔آپ نے کہا زید حامد مو لو لیوں کو فسادی کہتا ہے۔۔۔۔۔میت ے بھائی ہم نے دین کو مزاق بنا دیا۔۔۔جو بچہ سب سے کند زہن یا اندھا لولا لنگڑا ہو تا ہے ۔۔۔۔۔۔اسے مدر سے دا خل کر وا دیتے ہیں۔۔۔۔یہ سب کیا ہے ۔۔۔۔ایسا بچہ بڑا ہو کر کیسا مولوی بنے گاآپ خود سوچ سکتے ہیں۔۔۔۔اسوقت پاکستان میں گنے چنے مولولیوں کو چھوڑ کرآپ سب کو دیکھ لیں
    سب فساد پھیلانے والے ہیں۔۔۔یہ سب ایک دوسرے کو کافر کہتے ہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔کیا یہ تھی ہمارے پیارے رسول صہ کی ورا ثت۔۔۔۔۔دیناسلام کا بیڑہ غرق کر کے رکھ دیا ہے ان مولولیوں نے۔۔۔۔۔۔اور وہ سوات کا صو فی محمد دیکھ لیں۔۔۔۔جس نے کہا تھا جس نےمیرے جیسی پگڑی نہ پہنی وہ کافر ہے۔۔۔۔۔۔کیا ایسے ہو تے ہیں مسلمان۔۔۔۔میرے بھائی ایسے مولولیوں کو فسادی نہ کہا جائے تو اور کیا کہا جائے۔۔۔۔۔۔آپ نے کہا زید حامد ٹی وی پہ آ کر سب کی غیبت کر تا ہے۔۔۔آپکو پتا ہے غیبت کسے کہتے ہیںغیبت کسی کے پیٹھ پیچھےاسکی برائی کر نے کا نام ہے۔۔۔۔۔اب اگر کہیں زید حامد ٹی وہ پہ آکر غیبت کر تا ہے تو یہ بڑی مضحکہ خیز بات ہو گی۔۔۔۔کیو نکہ ٹی وی پہ تو علی اعلان بات ہو تی ہے۔۔۔۔۔۔اور علی اعلان بات کو غیبت نہیں کہتے۔۔۔۔آپ نے کہا زید حامد لڑ کے لرکیوں کے مخلوط اجتماع کر واتا ہے۔۔۔۔زید حامد خلافت قائم کر نے کے لیے نوجوان نسل کو اکٹھا کر رہا ہے۔۔۔اس سلسلے میں وہ مختلف یو نیورسٹیوں میں بھی جاتا ہے ۔۔۔اب آگے ان یو نیورسٹیوں میں مخلوط اجتماع ہو تو زید حامد کیا کر یے۔۔۔۔کیا وہ بغیر دعوت کا کام کیے واپس آ جائے۔۔۔۔۔۔میرےخیال میں ایسی جگہ دعوت کی زیادہ ضرورت ہے۔۔۔۔اور ویسے بھی اگر مناسب حجاب کا انتظام ہو تو اس میں کوئی ایسی بات نہیں ہے۔۔۔۔۔۔۔آپ حج کی مثال دیکھ لیں وہاں مرد و زن اکٹھے مناسک حج ادا کر تے ہیں۔۔۔۔۔دراصل مولوی وہ کر تے ہیں جو انکا دل کر تا ہے ۔۔۔۔وہ نہیں کر تے جو اسلام کہتا ہے۔۔۔یہ مولوی انتقال خون کو حرام کہتے تھے۔۔۔۔۔پھر یہی کام حلال ہو گیا۔۔۔۔یہ مولوی کہتے تھے لائوڈ اسپیکر میں نماز نہیں ہوتی
    آج یہ لوئوڈاسپیکر کے بغیر سانس بھی نہیں لیتے۔۔۔یہ مولوی کہتے تھے۔۔۔۔۔ٹی وی ویڈیو فلم بنانا حرام ہے۔۔۔۔آج جب تک ویڈیو نہ بنے ۔۔۔انکی تقریر شروع نہیں ہو تی۔۔۔۔یہ سب کیا ہے۔۔۔۔ایک چیزاپنے کام می نہیں۔۔۔تو حرام ہے۔۔۔۔۔اگر وہی چیزانہوں نے استعمال کی۔۔۔تو وہ حلال ہو گئی۔۔۔۔۔۔یہ سارا فتنہ اس بات پہ اٹھایا جا رہا ہے کہ وہ کسی یوسف نامی کو نبی سمجھتا ہے۔۔۔۔۔۔حالانکہ فیس بک پہ ہر روز زید حامد یہ کہتا ہے کہ وہ ختم نبوت پہ یقین رکھتا ہے ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔
    ۔۔۔۔جو کوئی حضور پاک صہ کے بعد نبوت کا دعوی کرے وہ جھوٹا ہے۔۔۔۔۔پھر کیا اب زید حامد پہاڑ پہ چڑھ کر اعلان کر یے گا تو ما نو گے۔۔۔۔نہیں ماننا نہ مانو مگر ایک مسلمان کو کا فر تو مت کہو۔۔۔۔۔۔۔اس وقت ملک میں کئی بے حیائی کے اڈے ہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔کوئی ایک فتوی ان کے خلاف نہیں آیا۔۔۔۔۔ملک میں روز خود کش دھماکے ہو تے ہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔کوئی ایک فتوی ان کے خلاف نہیں آیا۔۔۔۔۔۔حکمران بے غیرت ہو چکے ہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔کوئی ایک فتوی ان کے خلاف نہیں آیا۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔اور اگر کوئی امن اور خلافت کی بات کرتا ہے تو ایسے آدمی کو کا فر قرار دے دیا جاتا ہے۔۔داد دینے کو دل کر تا ہے ان فتوی دینے والوں کو

    تحریر:محمدعثمان فاروق
    usmanfarooq54@gmail.com

  13. Ashraf says:

    Salam

    There is non worthy of worship other than Allah. Muhammad (alhashimi)is the messenger of Allah. Who ever does not believe in the finality of his prophethood is a kafir.

    in a battle field a Sahabi killed a person although this person was claiming to be a muslim thinking that he is doing this to escape death. When this news reached the Prophet he said ‘did you rip his heart open’.

    I just don’t understand, when a person is saying that let him go to hell (yusuf), may Allah’s curse be upon people who do not believe in the finality of Muhammad’s (may peace be upon him) prophethood, What more do people want this person to do for his Islam to be accepted?

    What I have understood from the audio is that because of nigah karam he has reached a high spiritual level and did ziyarat of the prophet. How does this make a person kafir?

    if anyone believes that he has become a sahabi because of that then he is deluded but not a kafir.

    Lamhune ghalati ki awr sadi aw ne saza payi

    Muslims of Pakistan are not so stupid that someone will claim prophethood and they will start believing in him specially the audience of Zaid Hamid. Only the reason I see why people gather around him it is because he is calling them to Allah and his rasool.

    Do something positive in life.

    Why don’t you start something? It is easy to criticise other people? I don’t think there will be less people going to madrasah if they litsen to Zaid’s talk.

    During Zia’s time there were Shias. There were Shia’s before him and still today. Why there were Shia Sunni Fasadaat then so hot?
    please for God sake think!

    Build a Islamic state first then there will be no one claiming to be a prophet or anyone making false accusations on others. I remember one madrasa student saying in Pakistan you all would have been lashed if there was Islamic government because you don’t have any proof to say Benazir has made relation with another man.

    ham bahat bhole bhale log he!

    I want to see the people against Zaid to do similar things put there life in danger and call people to freedom of Islam. Not just by doing hartals but going from uni to uni and explaining to the youth that you are mslims and children of tipo sultan and like. expose the wrong of paper money and so forth.

  14. Abu Muhammad says:

    @ Ashraf

    Walaikaum asslam wa rahmatullah,

    This is true that injuction go by the APPARENT not by the HEART. No where we claimed that we are judging Zaid Hamid Heart. I don’t know why inspite of regularly repeating our stance on this issue that according to Shariah, Zaid Hamid has to do the following APPARENTLY, why people don’t bother to read the blog properly and still repeat the same questions.

    Q: Person A was a follower of Yusuf Kazab, but now he says that he has “nothing to do with Yusuf or his beliefs or any other people like him”. What is the minimum requirement according to Shariah for Person A to come out clear from the mess he was involved in his past?

    A: According to Shariah, Person A will have to do the following:

    1. Acceptance – Accept publicly and openly that he “did” a mistake by negating the finality of Prophet Muhammad Salalaho Alayhi Wassalam and by following a liar Kazab and a false prophet.
    2. Repentance – Repent that what ever he did was indeed a great sin and do Tauba and Astaghfar with Allah Subhanahu Ta’ala.
    3. Disassociate – Disassociate publicly and openly that now he is no more a follower of Yusuf Kazab and his beliefs
    4. Condemn – Condemn publicly and openly that Yusuf Kazab was indeed a liar and a murtid
    5. Tajdeed e Iman – Do tajdeed of Iman (which also includes tajdeed of Aqid e Khatm e Nubuwwat) publicly and openly
    6. Tajdeed e Nikah – Do tajdeed of Nikah

    Courtesy

    Are you a Mufti? If not, please back your statements with Quran and Sunnah with regard to Classical Scholars.

    His Calling to Allah and His Rasool(sallallahu ‘alayhi wassallam) is another myth. If he can not correct the people around him with regard to Shari’ah how can someone be sincere? Action speaks louder than words. Focus on the actions first.

    This is the only thing that we feel we are doing positive and we’ll continue to do so. Insha’Allah. If that bothers you, you start on your own something that you think is positive, instead of dictating us. We know very well what we are doing.

    I don’t understand how Shia-Sunii or BaNazir fits into this chaper of discussion. Make your discussions to the point. Zaid Hamid life is not in danger. Don’t worry. He has army background, he was having army/ISI support, who seems to back off now due to this controversy to save the black spot linked tot hem. To even consider his life in danger by the authority of Government/ISI/Army is stupid.

    But after what he did, yeah his life is in danger and he faces are real threat from the People of Pakistan. Suggest him to find a place of hiding outside Pakistan.

  15. Asharf says:

    Sorry if I have upset you in any way.

    I only want to get to the bottom of this.

    Can you please get the copy of the court verdict and post it (I guess they must have this)

    Zaid Hamid has claimed that

    1. the court did not convict Yusuf of the crime i.e. Inkar of khatm e nubuwwat

    2. Maulana Abdus Sattar Neyazi did difa’ of him

    3. Nation Akhbar reports that Yusuf did not commit blasphemy says Maulana Niyazi

    4. Maulana Niyazi says people who have accused him should be prosecuted ‘Nation Akhbar’

    5. Why did not the author of Rahbar ki surat me rahzan quote the other side of the story?

    6. They accused Yusuf of zina but it could not be proved in the court

    7. The people who accused him of the above are not capable of giving shahadah (which you know is true)

    8. Were the ulama of khatm e nubuwwat part of this accusation and punished? (If they are living today, should they be given the huge responsibility of muslims to run khatm e nabuwwat office?

    9. Khabre was the news paper which started this and the references in Rahbar ki surat me rahzan is from there.

    10. Zaid being Khalifa e awwal has been picked up from khabree (just on bases of news paper reports, can you make allegations on others?) also it is reported by an anonymous reporter.

    11. Is this what sharia is about that you accuse a person without even knowing the name of the person who reported to you?

    12. (report of the court case) Miah Abdul Ghaffar (witness) was asked did Yusuf do da’wa of nabuwwah in front of you he replied no then what did he do he replied ‘he said i have received khilafat’. Judge ask do you know the difference between khilafat and nubuwwat he replied no. The guy said I thought khilafat and nubuwwat are same so I wrote khilafat as nubuwwat.

    13. The word kazzab was coined by him the above reporter for Yusuf

    I am leaving now please answer all the above questions.

  16. Abu Muhammad says:

    @ Asharf

    There is nothing upsetting as such, other than we tend to get repeated questions and bro/sister don’t go through the blog for the refutations properly.

    Brother, you seem to be new here.

    All your answers have been replied here:

    The Case against Zaid Hamid
    http://zaidhamidexposition.org/the-case-against-zaid-hamid/

    Please go through these posts CAREFULLY AND COMPLETELY without missing any lines along with the comments as well and Insha’Allah it will clarify the things for you and answer all your questions. All what your saying is repetition of Zaid Hamid claims, which we have refuted long time back.

    Lastly, we should not assume that the court was blind and just convicted Yousuf Kazzb for almost ‘nothing’ and that also a ‘death penalty’. If there was any of the things that you’ve quoted, it would have been presented to the court and court would have been aware of it and decided by listening to both parties.

    We have already rejected the flat-out lies of Zaid Hamid in his 60 min defense video of Yousuf Kazzab. Please check that as well.

  17. Ashraf says:

    Assalamualaikum

    I have heard Zaid say ‘let him (yusuf) go to hell’. If he believed Yusuf to be a prophet, would he say that?

    Also please forward a reference which says he has to mention the name of yusuf to denounce him.

    What I know a person says ‘la ilah’ that is enough. He does not have to say ‘ la uzaa wa la hubula’ the word ‘Ilah’ includes all sorts of gods.

    Can an audio recording be used against someone (argument sake) in Sharia. I believe not. Because in our fiqh books it says ‘Assawtu yushbi hus sawt’ a voice is similar to another voice (voices can be mimicked). Anyone that teaches hidayah and so forth will know this.

    That is why ijab and qabul in nikah is not valid through the phone.

    Also in the matter of takfeer does not doubts benefit the accused.

    [Remarks: Have combined your three posts in ONE]

  18. Abu Muhammad says:

    @ Ashraf

    Wa’alaikum assalam wa rahmatullah,

    1. There is a difference between saying “He is in hell” or “He might/can go to hell”. The statement you quoted “let him (yusuf) go to hell” is an example of “He might/can go to hell” in which there is ‘doubt’ whether he will or not. This is how he plays with the words.

    2. The reference given above is a direct talk with Maulana Saeed Ahmed Jalalpuri Shaheed (Rahimahullah). For further you can contact any authentic scholar and he’ll explain to you about why it is necessary to denounce the False Prophet openly.

    3. The portion that you discussed ‘la ilah’ is related to ‘God’, what we are talking about is ‘Muhammad Rasool Allah’. That is why it is important to denounce the Kazzab, if someone is a follower of a False Prophet.

    4. Voice can be used as a Shari Evidence. Please read here to understand that a forgery of voice can be detected through latest technology through Audio Forensics
    http://zaidhamidexposition.org/2010/04/01/why-zaid-hamid-will-never-deny-that-he-is-the-syed-zaid-zaman-in-bait-e-raza-audio/

    5. Yeah, takfeer benefit goes to the accused, but in this case, there is no doubt for the Ulama.

    Hope this helps. Insha’allah

  19. Ashraf says:

    Sorry I will differ with you ‘let him go to hell’ is used in English to disassociate your self from someone. Like in Urdu you say ‘woh Jahannam me jay’. Zulfikar Ali Butto said about Bangladeshis in a lecture when people disagreed with him to have relationship with Bangladesh ‘Khinzeer ke bache woh jahannam men jay’ (naql e kufr na bashad). What is he saying ‘ok then we don’t have anything to do with them’.

    I have in front of me ‘Iman awr kufr’ of Mufti Shafi RA It says in there if there could be many meanings derived from the statement of the one accused of kufr the meaning that is in the favour of the accused will be understood, unless he him self says I contradict with your understanding.

    I am very sorry brother Shirk with Allah is the most severe of sins ever, about which Allah says in the Quran that he will forgive all sins except the shirk with him in hereafter, if this can be forgiven by saying la ilaha il lallah with out denouncing all the idols by name why can not cursing everyone who does not believe in the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad may peace be upon him be the same after saying Muhammadur rasulullah. If the most severe of all sins can be forgiven by just saying la ilah il lallah with out mentioning the idols why can not this sin be forgiven without mentioning Yusuf alaihi ma yastahiqqu.

    I am just ignorant about the meaning of niyabat e rasulullah please explain.

    I have writen out what Zaid said in the audio. He says ‘zuhd hazarun salka piar ki nigah ik taraf. He is saying with the means of piar ki nazar he was able to do ziyarat of the Prophet. Otherwise he read in the books it took people before years of zuhd to do ziyarat of the Prophet.So the the person who he got piar ki nazar from can not be the prophet because he is saying sadiun ka safar lamhun me te hoge ya after this nazar.

    Another thing I would like you to do is to go to Shuyukh like Mufti Taqi Usmani saab and ask him that did Yusuf go out of his mind like Mansoor Hallaj.

  20. Ashraf says:

    Sorry also can you do more tahqeeq your self about the audio being evidence in shari court.

    Another matter can a shari matter be decided by kufriyah courts.

    Sorry to say although Pakistan is a country of Muslims but it is being ruled by kufr.

    I know Mufti Taqi Usmani has changed many rules to Islamic rules.

    Is Islam soverent in Pakistan, if it is not then how can you impliment the Shari rules ralating to hudud?

    Can you prove to me how Islam is soverent in Pakistan? what I see you can not decide for your self. Is that what is soverenty?

    Sorry these are hard facts it will be deficult to swallow.

  21. Abu Muhammad says:

    @ Ashraf

    I give you two weeks days from now on. Please dig into each and every post that we have made and dig out all refutation and expositions that we’ve done. After your done with this, only then come, and start questioning as we have already answered many of the questions and you tend to just repeat here.

    Why don’t you move your own resource, if your so sincere with all what your saying, and help us relieve some of the priorities to move forward?

    I don’t understand what makes you defend Yousuf Kazzab when a dozen witnesses of his X-Mureeds (not ULAMA even) have witnessed against Yousuf Kazzab and they have explained that he said in front of them “Ana Muhammad” (Noazubillillah). Why you want to fit your mentioned fatwa in this context, while you don’t understand that where it can be applied and where it can’t be applied?

    Your hard facts are already answered here: Please visit.

    Refutation: Yusuf Kazab Can Not Be Called A Kazab Because He Was Not Punished By A Sharia Court
    http://zaidhamidexposition.org/2010/03/19/refutation-yusuf-kazab-can-not-be-called-a-kazab-because-he-was-not-punished-by-a-sharia-court/

  22. Ashraf says:

    Salam

    We are talking about Zaid and I don’t think what happened there (in the place of audio) makes Zaid kafir. I have read where it says in rahbar ki surat me rahzan ‘he didn’t call him his sahabi’.

    A person who says he is a sahabi because he saw prophet in his dream is not a kafir rather he is deluded.

    I don’t want to be from the people who have defended Yusuf.

    I want to be from the people who has defended what ever the truth is.

    I don’t know if you have heard of Mansur Hallaj he use to say anal haq (I am God). the verdict was given and he was killed. There were great Ulama of the time who defended him. they said he is out of his mind he should be excused.

    Some people when they start the path of tasawwuf with out the help of a kamil sheikh they get deluded.

    Read the book by Maulana Ashraf Ali Tahnwi regarding Mansoor Hallaj.

    I was not present when all this about Yusuf Kazzab happened.

    All I can say is that if he has claimed to be a prophet he is murtad e a’zam. Like ulama say about ibnul Arabi he is a kafir if he believed in wahdatul wujud (Allah and the creation are one). I am answering to why I am saying if regarding Yusuf.

    Please do this if you live in Pakistan go to Darul Uloom Karachi Korangi and see what Mufti Taqi says about Zaid and Yusuf.

    I will take your advise and read. But I get confused, becase some akhbar give different acount of the story, like nation akhbar.

    I am spectical to take anything from the news papers because Mufti Shafi Sab once was told that there was a report in the news paper saying ghee has animal fat in it. He kept on consuming ghee without even doing any further tahqeeq. You can go and ask Mufti Taqi if this is true or not.

    Oh Allah show us the right path as right path and give us the tawfeeq to follow it and show us the wrong path as wrong path and give us the tawfeeq to refrain from it.

    Wassalam

    wa akhiru da’wa na anil hamdu lillah hi rabbil alameen.

  23. laraib says:

    apne apko Imam mehdi sabit karna chata hai but sacha ka samana tak to kar nahi sakta kahan gai zaid ki sach bolne ki himmat ke wo sach bolne se ghabrata nahi???
    kazzab
    batil haq ke samne kese asakta hai kyunke batil to hai mitne ke ley

  24. Asad says:

    plz put this on youtube, there r more visiters thn any where else

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